If you find the songs you are going to use do not sound like the above songs. It is absolutely fine as long as you don't label them nightcore, use Artist - Song Name (Sped Up), (Speed Mix) or (Speed Edit) instead. If you are desperately want to label them nightcore, please do add the actual genre after Nightcore - Song Name [Genre].
It is good to see people can listen to what they enjoy. Just a little more classifications can help everyone get what they want more easily. Thank you very very much.
Content 1. Genre and Song Info
(a) Mainstream Nightcore (Eurodance, Hands Up, Hard Trance, Trance)
(b) Minor nightcore (Italo Dance, Bubblegum Dance, Eurobeat, Euro House, Hardcore, Hard Style and Vocal Trance)
(c) Song Info
(d) Sampled Music Databases
(e) Genre Comparisons 2. Source and Audio Quality (click to jump to)
(a) Legal Online Purchase
(b) MP3 Download Sites
(c) YouTube
(*) Download 720p even 1080p is available
(d) Music Sharing Forums
(e) Legal CD Purchases
(f) Audio Quality 3. Software (click to jump to)
(a) Virtual DJ
(b) Audacity
(c) Wavepad 4. How to make nightcore style (click to jump to)
(a) Virtual DJ
(b) Audacity
(c) Wavepad 5. Making Video (click jump to)
(a) Video Quality
(b) Windows Movie Maker
(c) VideoPad
(d) Quality Comparisons
May combine 3. and 4. into one part later, lets see after I finally the thread.
UNUSED MATERIAL NO NEED TO SEE
Tutorial by SakutaroChannelNC3 WIP
I think understanding what you mean, but I'm not sure... I try to give you an answer telling you how I edit tracks... I first simply speed up the original track (and the key changes automatically, for this song the key is Em at 170 BPM) and then I change the pitch, it depends on the original voice singing and my taste and "experience". That's for female vocals songs. For male ones is different and it's a bit more complex and difficult. When I speed up, they changes the key into "female" one and it often sounds very horrible, so I have to change the key and not the pitch, coming back to the most similar key of the original song. The speed of the song sounds a bit slower (and I adjust it speeding the track of 1BPM or decimals) and the song sounds also a bit "muffled" (I adjust it balancing tremble/mid/bass) but the difference between the coming back to the original key and the BPM has to be very high to notice these "lack of audio quality". Key editing is different from pitch editing, key editing is strict (there are different keys) while you can pitch a song how many times you want till you reach the maximum level of the sound distortion. Changing the key, the pitch indirectly changes too, you can hear the vocals more female, and vice versa, but, pitch and key are not the same things, but on this point of view, we can say that the result is the same.
Eurodance
Eurodance?
UNKNOWN Genre
Vocal trance or euro house?
House but what house?
Between vocal trance and euro house
Things to add, again no need to see
Audacity vs wavepad
it’s because wavepad lowers the volume of everything but the bass
LonelyLittleAngel - 03:46
wavepad the bass sounds a little bit muffled but is not noticeable.
emilemil1 - 04:13
pitching up the bass makes it less bassy
LonelyLittleAngel - 04:12
eww then the song was origianly poor quality
emilemil1 - 04:08
the muffled bass is the actual sound
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Part 1. Genre
The following classification is written an amateur with the informations from Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music, Discogs, Wikipedia, Rate Your Music and Last.fm which are also written by amateurs at some point.
Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music: http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/
(a) Mainstream Nightcore (Eurodance, Hands Up, Hard Trance and Trance)
(iv) Trance
Consider the are LOTS of subgenres of Trance, we are using the ones that make make people dance all night long, hence the name Nightcore, we are NOT using Trance that really make people into a state of trance.
(b) Minor nightcore (Italo Dance, Bubblegum Dance, Eurobeat, Euro House, Hardcore, Hard Style and Vocal Trance)
All genres/styles in this lists are not used by the original Nightcore. But still a better than calling a sped up rock nightcore.
(iii) Hardcore (Hardcore, Happy Hardcore and UK Hardcore)
While nightcore is meant to be sped up slow song (~140 BPM to ~175 BPM), hardcore songs are fast already (>170 BPM). The tricky part is to balance pitch, the BPM and the speed of vocal.
(v) Vocal Trance
BEWARE 90% Vocal Trance are too chilling or not hard enough to be nightcore, that's why you see only few nightcore uploaders upload Vocal Trance in nightcore style and this is in minor nightcore.
(c) Song Info
Try the following site if you can't decide what genre the songs are.
(i) Discogs
97% accurate. I trust it a lot, most info is correct. One bad this is it doesn't give the genre of each song in a album but a list of genres for a album.
(ii) Wikipedia
80% accurate. Same bad thing as Discogs. I trust Discogs more when Wikipedia says otherwise.
(iii) Beatport
60% accurate. Even Beatport says it is trance, it is more like house. I also found Beatport has a tendency of keep the remixes' genre as same as the original mix even their genres are clearly different.
For examples, MaLu Project - Heartbeat (Radio Mix) is House http://www.beatport.com/track/heartbeat ... ix/3274244
but MaLu Project - Heartbeat (HandsUp Radio Mix) is clearly NOT House http://www.beatport.com/track/heartbeat ... ix/3274245
(iv) Junodownloads
Not much songs can be found here, but it is mostly accurate.
(d) Sampled Music Databases
Websites and databases to find out who performed the original version of a particular song, or who covered or sampled that song.
Part 2. Source and Audio Quality
There are 4 factors affecting the quality of your nightcore videos. The quality of the source audio, how you speed up the songs, how you export the audio after speeding up and how you export your . A good audio source is crucial to make quality nightcore, nothing can help if the source is bad at the first place. Editing/transcode will only affect the quality negatively so try to not to use tracks been transcoded a lot like YouTube videos.
(a) Legal Online Purchases
Legal tracks give you best quality but they cost you.
(i) iTunes
Only shows genre (dance), no style (trance/house).
Some tracks may not be available in your region's shop and you can't buy tracks from other regions.
>256 kbps m4a.
Full metadata and album art.
The followings are spectrograms, basically it is the higher the better. TL;DL is iTunes' M4A has the best quality compares to Amazon and Beatport's 320 kbps MP3.
iTunes M4A quality, DJs from Mars - Insane (In Da Brain) (feat. Fragma) [Original Radio Edit], compares to Amazon's
iTunes M4A quality, MaLu Project - Heartbeat (HandsUp Radio Mix), compares to Beatport's
(ii) Amazon
Only shows genre (dance), no style (trance/house).
320 kpbs mp3.
Only available in United States, United Kingdom, Germany, France, Austria, Switzerland, Japan, Italy, Spain. (let me know if there is any change)
Never bought one.
Amazon 320kbps MP3 quality, DJs from Mars - Insane (In Da Brain) (feat. Fragma) [Original Radio Edit]
(iii) Beatport
Include both genre and style but Beatport has tendency to keep remixes' genres same as the original mix even when they are not.
More expensive ($1.49 vs iTunes $0.99)
May got region blocked.
NO metadata and album art in mp3.
Pay with credit cards and PayPal.
(i) 4shared
Show Title, Artist and Album
Show Bit rate and sample rate
Show duration.
Show file size.
(ii) Zippyshare
Show duration.
Show file size.
(iii) MyFreeMp3.eu
Show bitrate.
Show duration.
(iv) Mp3Vip
Show duration.
(v) Mp3.li
Find they when the songs are nowhere to be found.
(v) Mixmp3.net
Found a rare track in EXCELLTENT quality there.
(vi) Top-MP3-Download.com
Find they when the songs are nowhere to be found.
(?) Other MP3 site you recommend?
(c) YouTube
Downloading from YouTube should be the last option, three reasons:
1) Audio bitrate of YouTube videos are limited to 192 in HD videos and 128 in non HD
2) You don't their audio source nor how they export the vidoes
3) Audio is transcoded two more times (before and after uploaded to YouTube)
Do so only when the track is nowhere to be found or YouTube somehow has a better audio than the mp3s you found elsewhere. Don't use any video convert to mp3 site, reason is the more times the track is transcoded the worse the quality. Use 4K Downloader and download the whole video in 720p for HD and 480p for non HD videos.
Example of what happens after reuploading the 1000 times. Even you won't do that, just to show you the quality is lowered when uploads on YouTube, especially for the non HD videos in earlier years.
(*) Download 720p even 1080p is available
While the audio of 1080p videos is fine when being played on YouTube, it is not when you download it. Because there is no a 1080p video with audio in YouTube's server, it combines a M4A audio file and a MP4 video file when being played.
Using YouTube Video and Audio Downloader (a Firefox addon)
Softwares like 4K Downloader let you download a whole 1080p video WITH audio even YouTube DOES NOT have it, which in fact 4K Downloader CREATES a 1080p video by combining the MP4 1080p video and the M4A audio. But somehow it uses a lower quality M4A audio file.
1080p video SMALLER than 720p videos?
This explains why, the left is the 1080p video and the right one is 720p, 125 kbps vs 192 kbps
So as the raw ACC audio file I extracted from the videos.
SO DOWNLOAD 720p EVEN 1080p IS AVAILABLE FOR THE BEST QUALITY.
(e) Legal CD Purchases
25 Million Vinyl Records and CDs from Thousands of Record Stores Worldwide http://www.musicstack.com/
(f) Audio Quality
Mostly, you don't need to worry about the audio from legal purchase but you do when you are using a mp3 from the Internet. Like some high bitrate mp3s are indeed fake, made from lower bitrate and you need to know how to identify them.
(i) Bitrate
Nothing can help if the audio quality is bad to start with, so pick the best one carefully.
128 is basic, 160 is better, 192 is standard, >192 is great and 320 is ideal.
(ii) Duration
Check if the duration of your mp3s same as the ones states in info sites above, if not, they are edited by the mp3 ripper. But this is a rather minor thing compare to bitrate, metadata and waveform.
(iii) Metadata and Album Art
An ideal mp3 should be full metadata, meaning they are ripped by skilled rippers from legit sources. Album Art is a plus but most people don't keep it to save disk space.
(iv) Waveform
A great feature of Audacity, see Part 3 Software for more infor about Audacity.
Drag the track into Audacity, it should show waveform.
Bad waveforms examples
The mp3 is not using all the bitrate, meaning it is a fake high quality mp3 made from a lower bitrate.
The track originally has higher bitrate but the mp3 doesn't have high enough bitrate, quality been lowered to fit into the mp3.
*Some legal purchased tacks and mp3 look a bit similar to this.
*When there is only one sound track in a audio file, it is mono sound which is bad compare to stereo sound.
(v) Spectrogram
The most poewrful tool to check audio quality. Another great feature of Audacity, see Part 3 Software for more infor about Audacity.
Drag the track into Audacity, click the track name in the left, click Spectrogram
Hover your mouse on the scale, then right click few times to zoom out to max.
Then you see the real quality of the track.
Bad spectrogram examples
The followings are different Nightcore videos I downloaded from YouTube.
FAKE HD Nightcore, using only 100-150 kbps, also a weird gap in the middle.
100 kbps quality.
Good spectrogram examples
ideal 190 kbps quality
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The one of the handiest software to speed up a song.
Good points:
Shows BPM but if it is <100 BPM, it is wrong (usually, unless it is a hardcore and it is 200 BPM on its own), you need to double the BPM.
Pitch slider: Controls the speed/pitch of the track when moving the slider. Moving it downward to speed up.
Key lock: When enabled changing the pitch of the song does not change the tone of the track.
Free (Home version).
Bad points:
A bit more difficult to get a precious sped up % change as you drag pitch slider instead of inputing numbers.
You need to play the whole song when recording.
Frist, drag a song into the disk. Then you drag to pitch slider. As you do so, the PITCH changes.
The common sped up % is 25, but the closest you can get from pitch slider is 24.9% from 33% pitch range. If you want preciously 25%, click the number 33% on top of the pitch slider, changing it to 50%, 100% then back to 6% and so on. It will be 25% after 8 clicks.
If you think the pitch is too high, try a lower pitch, enable key lock, then rise the pitch back. Can you get a lower pitch but same tempo in this way and vice versa.
2. Have you used Key lock to balance tempo and pitch?
Naturally, pitch changes when you change the tempo. By enabling key lock, pitch does not change as tempo does then you risk messing the track.
Examples of messed tracks and ideal tracks.
The left one is messed, the right one is ideal.
Minor messed, notice 1:17-1:30__________notice 2:25-2:40
One example of rather satisfactory outcome of using key lock, except 2:20
To avoid any possible the audio messing altogether, just do not use key lock.
(a) If you used Key lock
If you did use Key lock but managed not to mess up the track, then you can proceed to RECORD then click CONFIG...
A window like this pops up
Auto-Start means it will start recording when you click play.
If you want to have best quality thought out all processes, choose Format as WAV, file size will be 20-30 MB. If you are not as mad as me about audio quality, 320 kbps MP3 is absolutely fine, file size 5-10 MB. If you really don't have much disk space or to save space for mobile devices, at least higher than the original track.
(b) If you didn't use Key lock
Not using Key lock meaning you are feeling good about pitch goes as tempo goes up at the same rate.
Now you need Audacity to make a lossless sped up edit but we are NOT using Effect -> Change Speed, we will be using Set Rate instead.
Click the track name as shown, Set Rate -> Other
25% would be 44100*1.25=55125, 20% would be 44100*1.2=52920, etc.
Notice that after you clicked OK, this process is done instantly, meaning it does not change the song, just sample rate (the number of samples of audio carried per second) is changed. Unlike Change Speed which takes a bit time to process, changing the rate does not resample the track, so is completely lossless - the samples are just moved to different positions along the Timeline. Detailed explanations: http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Chang ... h_together
Then you click File -> Export to export. But you need to understand the feature of different format.
WAV: uncompressed, lossless, best quality also the biggest file size.
MP3: compressed, lossy
M4A: compressed, lossy, better audio quality in a lesser space than the mp3
Comparisons of the spectrogram of wav, mp3 and m4a files.
The tack is DJ Gollum - All the Things She Said (feat. Scarlet) (Radio Mix) from iTunes.
As you can see M4A is more similar to WAV compare to MP3 meaning M4A is less lossy than MP3.
File size comparisons, but who would care about disk space nowadays.
WAV (1411 kbps): 27.8 MB
M4A (500 quality, 355 kbps): 7.04 MB
MP3 (320 kbps constant bit rate): 6.32 MB
Pick WAV if you want the best quality, or M4A for a better reasonable file size. MP3 should be your last consideration.
There is no WAV export options WAV because it is lossless already. But we do have export options for M4A and MP3.
M4A export options:
When you are about to export the audio to M4A
Click Options to bring up the following window, set it to 500 for the best quality
Video settings:
Resulotions: width x height
Bit rate: how many data per second
Frame rate: how many frames per second
Audio settings:
Bit rate: how many data per second, YouTube use 192 kbps for HD, so we stick with it
kHz: we just use 44.1 kHz consider most audio sources are 44.1 kHz (even Google says YouTube use 48 kHz here. It is meaningless to make them 48 kHz. (even if you do so, YouTube just make them back to 44.1 kHz.)
Mono vs stereo: always go with stereo
(b) Window Movie Maker
If you don't know where to open it, just find Movie Maker then you just find it.
Drag the images and song into Movie Maker. Click Options (under Music Tools), copy the time in End point (wihout s) to Duration which is in Edit (under Video Tools).
Click the blue button. Hover your mouse on Save movie -> push S or scroll to the bottom and click Create custom setting...
Change the setting to this and save it
1920 x 1080 for 1080p, 1280 x 720 for 720p
2048 kbps is enough for most 1 image only videos. If you are using more than one image and you got some blurry videos, change 1080p to 720p.
FPS should not be smaller than 6, YouTube will be make it back to 6 anyways. Also if the fps is too low, it adds 2 second silence the the start and deleted the last 2 seconds.
Detailed explanations of why you should not use 1 fps below, not necessary need to read.
Videos rendered by Windows Movie Maker play audio only after the first frame, so 1 fps will make the first 1 or 2 second silence and delete the last 2 seconds like:
To compensate lost of the last 2 seconds, you can manually add 2 seconds in the duration of the video. Then Movie Maker deletes the extra 2 seconds you added, then you got the full ending.
Sometimes you got 2s silence or 1s silence, (if you are as mad as me) you can export the videos few more times to get the 1s silence ones. But beware your settings, if you added 2s video duration but only got 1s silence, then you have 1 extra second at the end. Try to match them if possible. (ofc you don't need to unless as mad as me)
The following is added 1s in video duration and I did exported a video with only 1s silence. There are 2 images in the end if you add 2s in video duration.
(c) VideoPad The max kbps for VideoPad videos is limited to 160 kbps while Movie Maker can have 192 kbps. VideoPad should be the last software you use.
Drag the images and song into VideoPad, then drag the audio and the image to the timeline below. Drag the image to match the duration of the audio.
Click File -> Export video, then you change the options. The following is the ideal setting for me. I just use a single image so 1 fps is fine for me, also keeping the video smaller helps the viewer buffer and download the video faster.
The following window pops up when you click Encoder options
Because I am using 1 fps only, I can afford the best video quality factor (1). At the audio quality part, you don't need 320 kbps as the max quality on YouTube is 192 kbps nor the the video will have 320 kbps. I never have a video made from VideoPad with >170 kbps audio. Let me know if you find another video software allow me to have both 1 fps video and 192 kbps audio.
Detailed YouTube encoding explanations: http://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171
(d) Quality Comparisons
Examples of bad and good audio quality videos.
The top ones are bad, the bottom ones are better ones.
The following are both bad but the bottom one is better.
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LonelyLittleAngel wrote:You have several typos but The tutorial is GREAT! Keep it up!
Doing typing, thinking and organizing at 4 am just don't feel right.
I just upload everything I done in 1st reply and you can see what can be improved.
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LonelyLittleAngel wrote:Add youtube-mp3.org to download mp3
Well downloading tracks from YouTube should be the last option as bit rate is limited to 128 or 192 for HD. Also quality is lowered when videos uploads on YouTube. One example is after 1000 times of downloading and uploading, the video is very very bad. http://mashable.com/2010/06/03/youtube-i-am-sitting/
Even if YouTube is the only way to get the track, don't use any video convert to mp3 site, reason is as same as above: the more the encoding the worse the quality. Use 4K Downloader and download the whole video in best quality.
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Wow great Job in doing this and spending your time at creating such a well written and descriptive tutorial, hopefully this helps a lot of newcomers to Nightcore. :)
hko2006 wrote:If you are desperately want to label them nightcore, please do add the actual genre after Nightcore - Song Name [Genre].
Yes, this brings up something I was trying to say. People say that all songs labelled as nightcore would cause confusion. Well that's where adjectives come in. Phrases like "rap music" and "techno music" help people who want a certain kind of music get what they want. Similarly, this should help people who want a certain kind of nightcore.
I like how you acknowledge the people that really want to use the nightcore name for their uploads, regardless of genre.
hko2006 wrote:If you are desperately want to label them nightcore, please do add the actual genre after Nightcore - Song Name [Genre].
Yes, this brings up something I was trying to say. People say that all songs labelled as nightcore would cause confusion. Well that's where adjectives come in. Phrases like "rap music" and "techno music" help people who want a certain kind of music get what they want. Similarly, this should help people who want a certain kind of nightcore.
I like how you acknowledge the people that really want to use the nightcore name for their uploads, regardless of genre.
I add this line because there are two kinds of sped up"sound uploader on YouTube. One would be uploading Artist - Song Name (Sped Up), (Speed Mix) or (Speed Edit) after reading this thread. The other one is diehard sped up sound uploader that believe any sped up sound can be called nightcore no matter what. This line is for the later one, this line is kind of make sense for them so hopefully they would add [genre] so when I search for nihgtcore on YouTube, I would get one less song to check.
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hko2006 wrote:If you are desperately want to label them nightcore, please do add the actual genre after Nightcore - Song Name [Genre].
Yes, this brings up something I was trying to say. People say that all songs labelled as nightcore would cause confusion. Well that's where adjectives come in. Phrases like "rap music" and "techno music" help people who want a certain kind of music get what they want. Similarly, this should help people who want a certain kind of nightcore.
I like how you acknowledge the people that really want to use the nightcore name for their uploads, regardless of genre.
Also it would be even clearer if we just stick with nightcore = sped up dance/trance than any sped up sound.
Your reply is like suggesting to give up different genre and style and use Music - Song name [Techno] and Music - Song name [Rock] instead.
I only think up Nightcore - song name [genre], this rather concessionary naming format just for the diehard sped up sound fans. Even this is kind of anti-intellectual, it is the only rather sensible way to filter their songs when the the first suggestion failed (Artist - Song Name (Sped Up), (Speed Mix) or (Speed Edit)).
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hko2006 wrote:
I only think up Nightcore - song name [genre], this rather concessionary naming format just for the diehard sped up sound fans. Even this is kind of anti-intellectual, it is the only rather sensible way to filter their songs when the the first suggestion failed (Artist - Song Name (Sped Up), (Speed Mix) or (Speed Edit)).
So the name format Nightcore - Song (Genre) is essentially a last resort sort of thing?
hko2006 wrote:
I only think up Nightcore - song name [genre], this rather concessionary naming format just for the diehard sped up sound fans. Even this is kind of anti-intellectual, it is the only rather sensible way to filter their songs when the the first suggestion failed (Artist - Song Name (Sped Up), (Speed Mix) or (Speed Edit)).
So the name format Nightcore - Song (Genre) is essentially a last resort sort of thing?
No, the last resort would be letting everyone realize and understand the difference between nightcore and other sped up sound. I still insist not all sped up sound can be called nightcore. Again, it is just a tag for me, because they will name their sped up sound nightcore anyway, adding a tag just let me check one less video.
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hko2006 wrote:
I only think up Nightcore - song name [genre], this rather concessionary naming format just for the diehard sped up sound fans. Even this is kind of anti-intellectual, it is the only rather sensible way to filter their songs when the the first suggestion failed (Artist - Song Name (Sped Up), (Speed Mix) or (Speed Edit)).
So the name format Nightcore - Song (Genre) is essentially a last resort sort of thing?
I think that last sentence just is another way of saying people will name their speed edits nightcore anyway regardless of what they are told. Nothing more, nothing less.
Though correct me if I'm wrong. I tried to base this on what I read in the OP and the replies, but sometimes the English of NU members can be hard to understand (no offense to anyone here).
The media acting as the eyes of the society ought to practice its role with the highest journalistic ethics possible; feeding the society with information of unquestionable source to perpetuate the credibility and the moral obligation bestowed to it.
holy shit I wonder why I didnt find this post earlier it could have prevented mistakes and I see I still do some but I have to figure out what or how to make it better. Well now Im kinda confused since I didnt know that EDM can go into so much detail o.o Im using wavepad idk if its the same like audacity. Is there a tutorial about nightcoring songs with wavepad I mean a bit detailed for example what you have to think of when saving the song. I always change the pitch and speed equally I never use 2 different values. Then after I am done I click on save then variable bit rate (VBR) minimum bitrate 32 (kbps), max bitrate 320, Quality 0 (highest), Channel Encodering Mode Joint. To be honest idk what joint does. Is it better when I change the minimum bitrate to 8 which is the lowest or is it ok to use 32 kbps?
And also I feel very confused with the genres still dont know if the genres are ok or not which I upload. (I mean the latest songs not my first 3 or 4) But my feelings say it can be nightcored otherwise it would sound awful to me. Since I know how to find good nightcore songs I dont think I upload shitty ones like my first nightcores again xd. About quality I think amazon has good quality songs so I dont have to worry about right?
For video editing I use windows movie maker but I have to double check the settings since I used the standart settings which worked fine imo. I also have sony vegas pro but idk how to use this shit xD
Still thanks hko2006 for your detailed tutorial it rly helped me alot!
HFU Nightcore wrote:holy shit I wonder why I didnt find this post earlier it could have prevented mistakes and I see I still do some but I have to figure out what or how to make it better. Well now Im kinda confused since I didnt know that EDM can go into so much detail o.o Im using wavepad idk if its the same like audacity. Is there a tutorial about nightcoring songs with wavepad I mean a bit detailed for example what you have to think of when saving the song. I always change the pitch and speed equally I never use 2 different values. Then after I am done I click on save then variable bit rate (VBR) minimum bitrate 32 (kbps), max bitrate 320, Quality 0 (highest), Channel Encodering Mode Joint. To be honest idk what joint does. Is it better when I change the minimum bitrate to 8 which is the lowest or is it ok to use 32 kbps?
And also I feel very confused with the genres still dont know if the genres are ok or not which I upload. (I mean the latest songs not my first 3 or 4) But my feelings say it can be nightcored otherwise it would sound awful to me. Since I know how to find good nightcore songs I dont think I upload shitty ones like my first nightcores again xd. About quality I think amazon has good quality songs so I dont have to worry about right?
For video editing I use windows movie maker but I have to double check the settings since I used the standart settings which worked fine imo. I also have sony vegas pro but idk how to use this shit xD
Still thanks hko2006 for your detailed tutorial it rly helped me alot!
HFU Nightcore wrote:holy shit I wonder why I didnt find this post earlier it could have prevented mistakes and I see I still do some but I have to figure out what or how to make it better. Well now Im kinda confused since I didnt know that EDM can go into so much detail o.o Im using wavepad idk if its the same like audacity. Is there a tutorial about nightcoring songs with wavepad I mean a bit detailed for example what you have to think of when saving the song. I always change the pitch and speed equally I never use 2 different values. Then after I am done I click on save then variable bit rate (VBR) minimum bitrate 32 (kbps), max bitrate 320, Quality 0 (highest), Channel Encodering Mode Joint. To be honest idk what joint does. Is it better when I change the minimum bitrate to 8 which is the lowest or is it ok to use 32 kbps?
And also I feel very confused with the genres still dont know if the genres are ok or not which I upload. (I mean the latest songs not my first 3 or 4) But my feelings say it can be nightcored otherwise it would sound awful to me. Since I know how to find good nightcore songs I dont think I upload shitty ones like my first nightcores again xd. About quality I think amazon has good quality songs so I dont have to worry about right?
For video editing I use windows movie maker but I have to double check the settings since I used the standart settings which worked fine imo. I also have sony vegas pro but idk how to use this shit xD
Still thanks hko2006 for your detailed tutorial it rly helped me alot!
(c) WavePad
WavePad is pretty straight forward.
1st Buy WavePad because it isn't free unless you want to use the 1 week trial.
Next load up your song
Then go to "Sound Effects" to Change "Speed and Pitch" then increase the pitch to how ever it sounds good TO YOU don't let anyone judge how it sounds.
Finnaly click File>Save As> Choose your settings> Then Save! YOU'RE DONE!
sorry quotes from me are illegal in other people's signatures sry
(c) WavePad
WavePad is pretty straight forward.
1st Buy WavePad because it isn't free unless you want to use the 1 week trial.
Next load up your song
Then go to "Sound Effects" to Change "Speed and Pitch" then increase the pitch to how ever it sounds good TO YOU don't let anyone judge how it sounds.
Finnaly click File>Save As> Choose your settings> Then Save! YOU'RE DONE!
well thats too easy said everyone can do that without a tutorial but I was interested in the details...
Should use WAV for the best quality. And M4A for high quality storage, the solo reason you should use MP3 is that your device can't play M4A.
HFU Nightcore wrote:Thanks hko I definetly try to use your tipps for my next works :) I wonder how long it took for you to make such a huge tutorial?
Had the idea of making a new tutorial since I read the old one. Sry I can't recall how much time it took making it, I edit the post from time to time whenever I have some new findings/found errors to fix, spending few hours here and few more there. I would say 7 days if counted in using full 24 hours a day.
LonelyLittleAngel wrote:I lost my trial so i cant put pictures but its well explained for a person that has common sense
Well details are the points of the tutorial consider the difference of saving the track as 128 MP3 and 320 MP3 and people are not familiar with audio format, audio quality, etc.
Welcome to Nightcore Universe! Enjoy your stay as much as you enjoy the original Nightcore songs!
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Postby HFUNightcore » September 23rd, 2014, 9:53 am
hko2006 wrote:
Kestrel0907 wrote:Stickied the topic.
There's good stuff around here. :)
Thank you :D
Still need to update/add quite a few stuff tho.
would say you can make the genres clearer and tell that Euro Trance,Euro Dance,Italo Dance and Hands Up is nightcore able. And some sort of newer style of Euro Dance and other sub genres too.
I would add this one:
Why Euro Trance is almost the only genre that you can nightcore:
Euro Trance is a hybrid of Dream trance, Progressive trance, Hard trance and Eurodance music incorporating hardstyle bass drums and trance elements. It is closely related to uplifting trance. The trance synths at times can sound like techno hoovers with trancey effects and strings backing it up. The vocals are often pitched up for the most part, but sometimes they can be heard as in normal pitch range. This is often confused as vocal trance because of its use of vocals. The lyrical content is usually primitive, containing an introduction to the song with usually no or little drums, and often includes renderings of classic Happy hardcore anthems or melodies. Also some of the middle '90s Happy Hardcore producers started to produce tracks in this style.
and then say the original nightcore group only nightcored euro trance. There are only a few songs from other trance sub genres like hard trance and uplifting trance that you can nightcore because they have much euro trance elements but actually euro trance is what fits the most.
Just found out how to nightcore with FL Studio and how to avoid killing the quality even when the tempo and pitch do not match.
The following sample is Clutch feat. Beha - The Light (Edit), the goal is to add 33% in pitch and 20% in tempo. https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing
1 The Light (Edit).mp3 is the original
2 Audacity 52920 11.1111Pitch is used Audacity to set the rate to 52920 (120% to 44100), then add 11.1111 in Change Pitch. Not sure how to describe it, messed the bass drum/doubled bass drum? Older fan made nightcore tend to be having more of this issue.
3 WavePad 120Speed and Pitch 11.1111Pitch.mp3, 120 Speed and Pitch change then add 11.1111 to Pitch. No more double bass drum but muffled.
4 VDJ 33Keylock 20Tempo.mp3, the best result before FL, slide the pitch bar to 33%, toggle key lick, slide the pitch bar to 20%, so the pitch is 33% and the tempo is 20%, no muffled bass drum but still has some doubled bass drum.
Here is the tricky part. With FL, I have two way of achieving 33% in pitch and 20% in tempo but sure which is better. First one is change pitch and tempo to 120% then add 111% to pitch, the second one is change pitch and tempo to 133% then add 111% to time to lengthen the song and to lower the tempo.
FL 52920 110.96Pitch ProDefault.mp3, set rate to 52920 (120% compare to 44100) then set pitch to 110.96% (cloest to 111%), Method used is Pro Default
FL 58800 110.96Time ProDefault.mp3, set rate to58800 (133.3333% compare to 44100) then set time to 110.96 to lengthen the song (to lower the tempo), Method used is Pro Default
The wav files are exported from FL, and the m4a files are exported from Audacity using the wav files.
The following is the comparison of the spectrum image of the WAVs of the 58800 one and the 52920 one.
58800 http://imgur.com/fEDgHzV
52920 http://imgur.com/owWFMuO
58800 has a taller spectrum than 52920. Not sure how does it affect the quality though.
FL has always had better time-stretching methods, but afaik there are still none of them that can properly handle all forms of audio. They're optimized to be used with a single instrument in a narrow frequency range, though typically you CAN find certain songs that will be time-stretched pretty much flawlessly with one method or another. However, it never works in all cases.
Generally, the more intensive your song is in a wide range of frequencies, the worse it will sound when time-stretched. Fat kicks, wide synths, heavy compression, etc., they usually prove the most problematic.
Anyway, I listened to the samples and while they're definitely better than the results produced by the more basic editors, it's still far from a perfect method. I can still clearly hear the quality degradation, especially in the low end whenever the kick hits. If I would have heard this song without knowing anything about it, I wouldn't have thought it time-stretched but rather of very low bit rate.
Well used only FL Studio only once, i think its okay. Not really my type of audio editor/mixer. I do like Audition by adobe, which is a really good one and much more user friendly.
sorry quotes from me are illegal in other people's signatures sry
Um I'm currently using Audition for my nightcore...
Does anyone know how the izotope radius algorithm affects the song? Cause every time I do it it sounds weird (scraping sounds and such). Anyone know why?