Legalizing weed

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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by Kirby » December 13th, 2011, 9:03 pm

You should go on the 0% side just to make this discussion interesting. When everyone's on the same side, it is incredibly lame.
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by TajiTakeo » December 14th, 2011, 2:21 am

Gang wars
Doesn't weed make you calm?? O_o
Health problems (overdose)
This is something that not only weed can cause.
Generaly everything can cause health problem if you use something too mutch.
Like alkohol or cigaretts or even using a computer too mutch can be the cause too health problems.
It can be costly
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i am not english so i am not 100% sure what you mean by that, but i belive you mean expensive right?
And well...yeah you have to pay for weed just like you have to pay for everything else.
Social tensions
Are you sure about that?
Purity (is your dope only dope or dope + crap)
Hopefully just a dope.
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by RaveComing » December 14th, 2011, 10:46 pm

Kirby wrote:You should go on the 0% side just to make this discussion interesting. When everyone's on the same side, it is incredibly lame.
Think I'll do just that
Ravecoming wrote:Gang wars
TajiTakeo wrote:Doesn't weed make you calm?? O_o
Yes, but there's so much money to be made from weed that people will easily fight over it. In large cities, you can already see gang wars occuring over drug and prostitution territories. Legalizing weed would only make these fights happen more often since the gangs will have to work harder in order to sell weed to people who can legally buy/grow it.


Ravcoming wrote:Health problems (overdose)

TajiTakeo wrote:This is something that not only weed can cause.
Generaly everything can cause health problem if you use something too mutch.
Like alkohol or cigaretts or even using a computer too mutch can be the cause too health problems.

Unlike alcohol which is eliminated rather quickly by your liver or cigarettes by your whole organism if used in moderation, weed leaves heavy lesions in your BRAIN if you do not know how to properly use it/smoke too much of it too often. By any means weed is a short term problem but can also cause long term diseases such as cancer which costs a lot to the community via the health care system.

Ravecoming wrote:It can be costly

TajiTakeo wrote: i am not english so i am not 100% sure what you mean by that, but i belive you mean expensive right?
And well...yeah you have to pay for weed just like you have to pay for everything else.

Ok... but how does that makes it less expensive? Addicts and youngsters will crumble under debts from buying weed.


Ravecoming wrote:Social tensions

TajiTakeon wrote:Are you sure about that?

Yes I am. A huge slice of the World's population is anti-weed (or anti-drugs in general). There is already tension between various sources of the community... imagine if weed was to be widespread from its legality.

Ravecoming wrote:Purity (is your dope only dope or dope + crap)

TajiTakeo wrote:Hopefully just a dope.


HOPEFULLY. OMG. Remember that weed as of now is illegal and mostly run by gangs. To make profit from selling weed, some gangs resort to cutting their weeb with bad chemicals. I know this from personal experience and knowledge.


Do they even teach you basic thinking in Sweden? I'm really wondering.

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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by TajiTakeo » December 15th, 2011, 6:10 am

After reading through your posts once again I've come to the conclusion that you're either retarded or 5 years old.
Most of your "facts" are false and I'ts like I'm having a discussion with a little child who doesn't want to admit that he's wrong.
Therefore I won't continue this useless discussion and will end it with a single sentence.
Do they even teach ANYTHING at all where you come from?
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by RaveComing » December 15th, 2011, 11:36 am

Ad Hominem "arguement", please try again.
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem-argument

How are my facts false? Please do tell me so that I might correct myself. I post some weak arguements for the sake of a debate, you come and rebuke them, to which I answer with some stronger arguements. I think it's a good debate and not some "5 years old" arguements.

Gang wars:
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news ... ff&k=92568
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Vancouver_gang_war
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... full.story
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... ghera.html


Health:
http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm
http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthin ... nabis.aspx
http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/drugdope.html

Money:
http://forum.grasscity.com/apprentice-t ... r-you.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 306AA8GFZE
http://www.dope-smoker.co.uk/how-much-d ... weed-cost/
http://www.disinfo.com/2010/09/how-much ... our-state/

Social Tensions:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 0308001883
http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/ccp/59/4/558/
http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/pha/6/4/419/
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 3v04n03_06
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 0307000913

Purity:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showth ... p?t=162431
http://www.ransomseedlab.com/services/purity.htm
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/823 ... perts-warn
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/ ... 4336.shtml
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/tipsforp ... al_bud.htm

I would just like to point out the fact that you quit the debate right after I refuted your every arguements. It is rather lame that you would quit a debate after being proven wrong ONCE and insult me at the same time. So, I would like you to read the links I sent you, most of them being HIGHLY revelant to the debate, in the hope we can argue in a civilized fashion. And as far as I can tell, you are the little child who doesn't want to admit he's wrong; remember that I willingly changed side for the sake of the debate while you just butchered the place before leaving it (all in a very short time spawn). Also, you owe me appologies for insulting me.
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by pawesome » December 15th, 2011, 12:00 pm

um... I smoke weed because it is legal in shitty michigan shitty usa... but i only smoke it because its medical and it helps me with my back pains and muscle stress... its hard for me to move, but if i smoke then i dont have back pains or knee pains or any body pains... so weed at all is not bad... i would smoke weed way over ciggerates or drinking alcohol because its better... those two things just cause more problems... i feel much better and glad that weed has been legalize as it should be. its not a problem and never will be if you get it from the place that gives you the stuff to grow it yourself... and besides theres different kinds of plants... like some are for day time while others are for night time to help you sleep.
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by TajiTakeo » December 15th, 2011, 12:03 pm

Ok! i admit it was very rude of me to insult you and i apologize for that.
But i want say that i did not insult you for proving me wrong, but for this...
Do they even teach you basic thinking in Sweden? I'm really wondering.
Anyways! let's continue this debate.
I will read through your links when i have the time, witch will be in a few days.
Once again sorry for insulting you and acting childish. i feel really bad about that :(
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by RaveComing » December 15th, 2011, 12:04 pm

pawesome wrote:um... I smoke weed because it is legal in shitty michigan shitty usa... but i only smoke it because its medical and it helps me with my back pains and muscle stress... its hard for me to move, but if i smoke then i dont have back pains or knee pains or any body pains... so weed at all is not bad... i would smoke weed way over ciggerates or drinking alcohol because its better... those two things just cause more problems... i feel much better and glad that weed has been legalize as it should be. its not a problem and never will be if you get it from the place that gives you the stuff to grow it yourself... and besides theres different kinds of plants... like some are for day time while others are for night time to help you sleep.

yes Pawesome, but your weed is medicinal weed which was grown by governmental approved facilities and is administrated under "strict" conditions. Here, we're trying to debate the legalization of weed in general. But, I cannot disagree with controlled weed as a medical treatment.
Do they even teach you basic thinking in Sweden? I'm really wondering.
I was not insulting you rather than questioning your school system AS WELL AS giving you the chance to refute my arugements based on the flawed arguement I was laying there
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by pawesome » December 15th, 2011, 12:06 pm

well i just felt like putting in my two cents into this convo... and im done with posting in it. <(=^.^=)> i hate arguements and im a very kind gentleman.
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by RaveComing » December 15th, 2011, 12:08 pm

pawesome wrote:well i just felt like putting in my two cents into this convo... and im done with posting in it. <(=^.^=)> i hate arguements and im a very kind gentleman.
It's not like we're trying to tear each other's head off tho, it's really a constructive debate.
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by TajiTakeo » December 15th, 2011, 1:17 pm

Whaaat!! :|
Are you serious!! Did you really threated me with ban if i didn't apologize??
Actully i felt pretty bad about what i did say to you earlier today, but now that feeling suddenly disapered.
Could you really not see this
Do they even teach you basic thinking in Sweden? I'm really wondering.
as a insult to me??
Well now i am mad >(
And you are the one talking about respect and having a debate in a civilizised way.

Well now i am taking back my apology.
BAN me if you want to.
Do what you feel is right.
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by Kirby » December 15th, 2011, 2:18 pm

TajiTakeo, I don't believe that RaveComing's "threat" is nearly as bad as you have thought it out to be. It is a rule to show respect to all members, especially staff. If you do not cease an action after a staff member has told you to stop, you will face consequences. You should be happy that he gave you a chance instead of just banning you on the spot.

RaveComing felt like you were disrespecting/insulting him in your post. You might argue that he was insulting you first, and I can see why you would, but that's a matter of sensitivity/tolerance.
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by TajiTakeo » December 15th, 2011, 3:04 pm

It might be true that i am making this a bigger deal than it really is.
And i really want to show respect to everybody on this forum.
And i know that i will probobly get banned next time RaveComing login to the forum. (witch is unfortune sense i started to like this forum)
But i will not treat RaveComing differently just because he is a moderator.
If he steps on my toe because he think my arguments is stupid, then i will punch back.
Thats just who i am.
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by RaveComing » December 15th, 2011, 3:07 pm

Rule #1 wrote:Show respect to staff and all other members. This includes, but is not limited to, anything racial, religious, rude, sexually explicit, insulting, threatening, blameful, abusive, hateful, ethnic, or just ANY general intent to annoy, troll, or flame others.
Using the terms gay, lesbian, bisexual, or anything of that like as a degradement is forbidden.
Harassment of forum members is not limited to site premises; doing it on another website, e-mail, chat client, etc. does not make you immune to punishment here.
If a staff member tells you to cease an action, you MUST do so or face the consequences.
Quick fact: I did not step on your toes because your arguements were stupid, I argued back because they were weak. There's a HUGE difference there. Looks like you've been punching at thin air; I'm on the other side of the ring and still waiting for valid arguements.
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by TajiTakeo » December 17th, 2011, 7:17 am

ok!
this is what i got for now.

This is why we should legalize Cannabis!
Around 5.4 million deaths a year are caused by tobacco.
And Around 100,000 people a year die from alcohol abuse in the U.S.
Coffee cause around 1000 deaths every year.
Aspirin kills around 7500 people every year.
But how many people die because of Cannabis?
Many PhD says that it is impossible to die because of cannabis use.
Some of them don’t, some of them says that a few people’s deaths are directly connected to cannabis use.
But those numbers are low.
They say that 16 people died because of cannabis use in year 2004. And 11 people year 2003.
Which means that even if a very small amount of people dies because of cannabis use, it still causes a smaller amount of deaths than coffee does every year.

Actually cannabis has an opposite effect than killing people, it helps sick people.
Many peoples medical conditions responds favorably too cannabis.
Such as Epilepsy, Depression, Hepatitis C, Cancer, AIDS, Back pain etc…
There is actually no product that provides as many medical benefits as cannabis.
And the best thing with legalization of cannabis is that we would not have to pay for it.
We would be able to grow our own medicine in our own home, and this would solve a lot of people’s problem.

Information source:
A documentary video and internet.

I have have not readed your links yet RaveComing.
I posted this simply too make my argument a little bit heavyer, sense my first argument was too weak.
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by RaveComing » December 17th, 2011, 10:23 am

Ok, so Canabis doesn't kill that much people. That doesn't mean it doesn't hurt them right? I'm very happy to see that cigarettes causes cancer and that aspirin can also kill people. But eh, I guess that having your brain all fucked up from canabis use isn't enough to be considered a valid threat, right? Wrong.

Also, just because canabis doesn't kill people does not mean it cannot open the way to another killing tool. For instance, your basic flu makes you more likely to get any other sickness. Well I don't know that many people who died from seasonal flu, and yet governments pay millions every year to have people protected agaisnt seasonal flu. Why? Because it makes their immune system weaker.

Weed is the exact same thing. It's makes your BRAIN weaker/permanently hurt it. Thing is your brain controls much of your body functions; if it's hurt, your body is most vulnerable. And this is why it would cost more to the health care system, or simply people's health in general.

It's not about saying "We should legalize canabis because it's WAY LESS harmful than other potentially lethal substances", it's about saying "Canabis CAN kill people and MAKES you weaker with every usage, which in turn can have you die from another illness/disfunction you might have lived through if only your brain wasn't all so weak".

TajiTakeo wrote:I have have not readed your links yet RaveComing


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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by Execrated » September 13th, 2012, 12:20 am

<.<
Rave, you write too much XD

ahem, coming from a tangent.

Drugs. Mary jane, Strawberry Quick, blah blah blah, the lot.
We all know the negatives, but there's also fine print written down below.
Drugs, especially narcotics, act like a temporary steroid, so to speak. So in other words, a single use of, say, Cannabis, will actually BOOST your performance.
Sounds good, right? Well, here's the catch. The temporary steroid is also, metaphorically, a hack into your system. Alas, the system is alive.
Example below
Imagine a first-person shooter. You walk into a room, full of bad guys, get killed repeatedly - enter a cheat for UBERSHIELD of D00M which gives you 999999 increased armor. Now you walk into said room, and you are being shot at, but you cant die - you're godmoded. That is the effect of the drug. and if we weren't living, we could stay gods. But here's the catch - our bodies alive, and thus adapt. So, in that game, say you had 100 health, and took 100000 pts of dmg. The game (our body) sees that the 100 pts of health is an overkill, and lowers our health to 1/100000 of a point. After the modification, to be able to survive you HAVE to have the UBERSHIELD OF D00M enabled
Give someone the power to be better than others, and they will abuse it.
So, for each time you hack, you get penalized. And the penalty is exponential.
Thus, after 10 uses, Drug A which used to make you jump over skyscrapers, makes you jump over buses.
After 20 uses - it allows you to stand up straight.
After 30 - you cant even do that.



P.S. oh, and also - the reason people get Influenza immunization is not because it weakens the immune system (although it does), but because being a virus, it constantly evolves, and if not taken care of early - it could evolve into something we cannot cure. Better safe than sorry.
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by Kestrel0907 » September 13th, 2012, 4:31 pm

NO,even tough some drugs might have benefits to the human body,even for once,humans,as stupid as they are,are excessively taking them as medicine,making them paranoic,stupid,dreamy and thus(or) even making them dig their own graveyard hole.
And yes,some low drugs were legalised here in Romania,the result being very bad. --- THOUSANDS are currently in hospitals and dissintoxication centres(as zombies),and many of them wants to appeal to much more harder drugs,even making them doing ILLEGAL acts to get them.
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by Monster » February 25th, 2013, 12:28 am

Saying that weed makes you mellower and thus making it less likely for you to commit crimes is NOT justified. Weed causes you to do other sorts of stupid things and it is NOT okay for people to take to "get in a party mood" or "take a further trip on an amusement ride" People dont need chemicals 2 enjoy parties and rides.
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Re: Legalizing weed

Post by John Seymour » May 4th, 2014, 1:02 pm

RaveComing wrote:Ok, so Canabis doesn't kill that much people. That doesn't mean it doesn't hurt them right? I'm very happy to see that ecigfiend causes cancer and that aspirin can also kill people. But eh, I guess that having your brain all fucked up from canabis use isn't enough to be considered a valid threat, right? Wrong.
Cigarette kill people and this is enjoyable to you but why? Because you are a fuvked up man. This is not humanity. We can create awareness to the people and this will be the right decision.
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