Legalizing weed

[Starshadowx2]

Out of all of the people here saying "ooh, drugs are bad, no do drugs, noooo", How many of you have:

1. Tried weed, or
2. Have friends /family who do it regularly?

I used to be heavily against any type of drug use, I still am against "hard" drugs, such as heroin, methamphetamines, cocaine, those types of things. But my idea of weed/marijuana has changed drastically over this last year, for a few reasons I'm not going to fully indulge you in. I know what it's like first hand to go through "hard times" as do a lot of people, and yes, "runni9ng away" from problems is a bad thing, but you don't have to deal with them as quickly as possible. Sometimes trying new things and expanding your world-view can go a long way.

I don't drink, and I'm not an avid, or even regular drug user, but I can at least understand where some of my friends come from, and how they feel.

I'm not 100% for legalizing marijuana, because of how it could affect younger people, but once you know what you're doing, it's nobodies place to put holds on you. The best way to grow is to learn from mistakes and whatever, try new things, learn who you are inside and out. But keeping weed/marijuana fully illegal causes as many problems anyways, takes up police=peoples time and tax money, and the people who get in trouble for it, usually just go right back after. At least the people in my city do.

You can go and have your opinions, I'm not here to tell you they're wrong or whatever, but you can;t have a true opinion of a matter if you don't know where all sides are coming from, or how someone opposite of you thinks. It's like straight out saying something "sucks" or that you don't like it without ever trying it. Don't take that as me condoning drug use, I condone free rights and the ability for mature people to make their own decisions about their own life.

[TheDevice]

In my opinion the scientist and pharmaceuticals has to work to remove all it's harmful effects that destroys the mind leaving only the effect what people after.

LOL The funny thing is they don't even do this with the drugs THEY make. Ever seen a list of side-effects for any drug? Go look them up. Lol Prescription drugs are also more harmful than weed.

[RobLucci]

In my opinion the scientist and pharmaceuticals has to work to remove all it's harmful effects that destroys the mind leaving only the effect what people after.

LOL The funny thing is they don't even do this with the drugs THEY make. Ever seen a list of side-effects for any drug? Go look them up. Lol Prescription drugs are also more harmful than weed.

Yes it's true that prescription drugs can be harmful but I think its possible for pharmaceuticals to make it without any side effect but it will become more expensive.

[Raver]

Scientists must dicover useful things, not work to do drugs better pff.

[Nightcored]

About this whole weed issue, we Dutchmen have completely legalized it, because, to put it simple, it's the users own responsibility. They want to fuck up their brain? Sure, go ahead, as long as you're not a burden to anyone else while doing it. There is also the possibility of putting a tax on it.

[Raver]

Since a guy Can get crazy and do bad things to ppl, I'm glad it's illegal here, but you Can buy it anywhere...

[RaveComing]

It only makes you do horrible things if your weed is mixed with other potenet chemicals. If the government was to run the buisness, you,d be sure it's pure weed (ie. 100% real mari)

If shits happen, you'll be on the floor first since smoking impeds your cognative receptability as well as your motricity. No harm done, you,re just lying on the floor sleeping/moaning. I smoke weed once in a while, different doses every time depending on how I'm feeling. The worse thing that ever happened to me while smoking was that my throat itched me for hours after I hate too many peppers -.-

I mean really, I can understand some of you guys' fears of taking some mad crack with your weed, just don't be stupid and get your stuff from the right person (ie. A friend or a friend's friend through your friend)

[Nightcored]

Weed strengthens whatever inner feeling you have while consuming it. Being happy will cause you to laugh a lot and eventually pass out into a fast sleep. Don't smoke while being down, you'll get suicidal ideas.

[RaveComing]

Don't smoke while being down, you'll get suicidal ideas.

I will respectfully disagree with the statement above

[Nightcored]

And please tell us why O.o

Another note, please do not take that part too serious, it is just there to symbolize how it strengthens whatever your mood is at the time of consuming it.

[RaveComing]

And please tell us why O.o

I smoke weed once in a while, different doses every time depending on how I'm feeling.

I've been through a lot of stuff. I'm liking that pun

[Qoolioz]

To be honest, I don't care. But i think it should be legal since it helps deal with stress. but i dont know much about marijuana though.

[RaveComing]

Weed looks like Japanese maple tree leaves but they are way more friendly

[TajiTakeo]

It should be legal!
And i think so because i can not see a reason why we shouldn't make it legal.

[RaveComing]

It should be legal!
And i think so because i can not see a reason why we shouldn't make it legal.

Gang wars
Health problems (overdose)
It can be costly
Social tensions
Purity (is your dope only dope or dope + crap)
etc. etc.

I am 100% pro weed but I feel like your arguementary is a tad thin

[Kirby]

You should go on the 0% side just to make this discussion interesting. When everyone's on the same side, it is incredibly lame.

[TajiTakeo]

Gang wars

Doesn't weed make you calm?? O_o

Health problems (overdose)

This is something that not only weed can cause.
Generaly everything can cause health problem if you use something too mutch.
Like alkohol or cigaretts or even using a computer too mutch can be the cause too health problems.

It can be costly

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i am not english so i am not 100% sure what you mean by that, but i belive you mean expensive right?
And well...yeah you have to pay for weed just like you have to pay for everything else.

Social tensions

Are you sure about that?

Purity (is your dope only dope or dope + crap)

Hopefully just a dope.

[RaveComing]

You should go on the 0% side just to make this discussion interesting. When everyone's on the same side, it is incredibly lame.

Think I'll do just that

Gang wars

Doesn't weed make you calm?? O_o

Yes, but there's so much money to be made from weed that people will easily fight over it. In large cities, you can already see gang wars occuring over drug and prostitution territories. Legalizing weed would only make these fights happen more often since the gangs will have to work harder in order to sell weed to people who can legally buy/grow it.

Health problems (overdose)

This is something that not only weed can cause.
Generaly everything can cause health problem if you use something too mutch.
Like alkohol or cigaretts or even using a computer too mutch can be the cause too health problems.

Unlike alcohol which is eliminated rather quickly by your liver or cigarettes by your whole organism if used in moderation, weed leaves heavy lesions in your BRAIN if you do not know how to properly use it/smoke too much of it too often. By any means weed is a short term problem but can also cause long term diseases such as cancer which costs a lot to the community via the health care system.

It can be costly

i am not english so i am not 100% sure what you mean by that, but i belive you mean expensive right?
And well...yeah you have to pay for weed just like you have to pay for everything else.

Ok... but how does that makes it less expensive? Addicts and youngsters will crumble under debts from buying weed.

Social tensions

Are you sure about that?

Yes I am. A huge slice of the World's population is anti-weed (or anti-drugs in general). There is already tension between various sources of the community... imagine if weed was to be widespread from its legality.

Purity (is your dope only dope or dope + crap)

Hopefully just a dope.

HOPEFULLY. OMG. Remember that weed as of now is illegal and mostly run by gangs. To make profit from selling weed, some gangs resort to cutting their weeb with bad chemicals. I know this from personal experience and knowledge.


Do they even teach you basic thinking in Sweden? I'm really wondering.

[TajiTakeo]

After reading through your posts once again I've come to the conclusion that you're either retarded or 5 years old.
Most of your "facts" are false and I'ts like I'm having a discussion with a little child who doesn't want to admit that he's wrong.
Therefore I won't continue this useless discussion and will end it with a single sentence.
Do they even teach ANYTHING at all where you come from?

[RaveComing]

Ad Hominem "arguement", please try again.
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem-argument

How are my facts false? Please do tell me so that I might correct myself. I post some weak arguements for the sake of a debate, you come and rebuke them, to which I answer with some stronger arguements. I think it's a good debate and not some "5 years old" arguements.

Gang wars:
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news ... ff&k=92568
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Vancouver_gang_war
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... full.story
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... ghera.html


Health:
http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm
http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthin ... nabis.aspx
http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/drugdope.html

Money:
http://forum.grasscity.com/apprentice-t ... r-you.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 306AA8GFZE
http://www.dope-smoker.co.uk/how-much-d ... weed-cost/
http://www.disinfo.com/2010/09/how-much ... our-state/

Social Tensions:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 0308001883
http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/ccp/59/4/558/
http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/pha/6/4/419/
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 3v04n03_06
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 0307000913

Purity:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showth ... p?t=162431
http://www.ransomseedlab.com/services/purity.htm
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/823 ... perts-warn
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/ ... 4336.shtml
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/tipsforp ... al_bud.htm

I would just like to point out the fact that you quit the debate right after I refuted your every arguements. It is rather lame that you would quit a debate after being proven wrong ONCE and insult me at the same time. So, I would like you to read the links I sent you, most of them being HIGHLY revelant to the debate, in the hope we can argue in a civilized fashion. And as far as I can tell, you are the little child who doesn't want to admit he's wrong; remember that I willingly changed side for the sake of the debate while you just butchered the place before leaving it (all in a very short time spawn). Also, you owe me appologies for insulting me.

[pawesome]

um... I smoke weed because it is legal in shitty michigan shitty usa... but i only smoke it because its medical and it helps me with my back pains and muscle stress... its hard for me to move, but if i smoke then i dont have back pains or knee pains or any body pains... so weed at all is not bad... i would smoke weed way over ciggerates or drinking alcohol because its better... those two things just cause more problems... i feel much better and glad that weed has been legalize as it should be. its not a problem and never will be if you get it from the place that gives you the stuff to grow it yourself... and besides theres different kinds of plants... like some are for day time while others are for night time to help you sleep.

[TajiTakeo]

Ok! i admit it was very rude of me to insult you and i apologize for that.
But i want say that i did not insult you for proving me wrong, but for this...

Do they even teach you basic thinking in Sweden? I'm really wondering.

Anyways! let's continue this debate.
I will read through your links when i have the time, witch will be in a few days.
Once again sorry for insulting you and acting childish. i feel really bad about that :(

[RaveComing]

um... I smoke weed because it is legal in shitty michigan shitty usa... but i only smoke it because its medical and it helps me with my back pains and muscle stress... its hard for me to move, but if i smoke then i dont have back pains or knee pains or any body pains... so weed at all is not bad... i would smoke weed way over ciggerates or drinking alcohol because its better... those two things just cause more problems... i feel much better and glad that weed has been legalize as it should be. its not a problem and never will be if you get it from the place that gives you the stuff to grow it yourself... and besides theres different kinds of plants... like some are for day time while others are for night time to help you sleep.

yes Pawesome, but your weed is medicinal weed which was grown by governmental approved facilities and is administrated under "strict" conditions. Here, we're trying to debate the legalization of weed in general. But, I cannot disagree with controlled weed as a medical treatment.

Do they even teach you basic thinking in Sweden? I'm really wondering.

I was not insulting you rather than questioning your school system AS WELL AS giving you the chance to refute my arugements based on the flawed arguement I was laying there

[pawesome]

well i just felt like putting in my two cents into this convo... and im done with posting in it. <(=^.^=)> i hate arguements and im a very kind gentleman.

[RaveComing]

well i just felt like putting in my two cents into this convo... and im done with posting in it. <(=^.^=)> i hate arguements and im a very kind gentleman.

It's not like we're trying to tear each other's head off tho, it's really a constructive debate.

[TajiTakeo]

Whaaat!! :|
Are you serious!! Did you really threated me with ban if i didn't apologize??
Actully i felt pretty bad about what i did say to you earlier today, but now that feeling suddenly disapered.
Could you really not see this

Do they even teach you basic thinking in Sweden? I'm really wondering.

as a insult to me??
Well now i am mad >(
And you are the one talking about respect and having a debate in a civilizised way.

Well now i am taking back my apology.
BAN me if you want to.
Do what you feel is right.

[Kirby]

TajiTakeo, I don't believe that RaveComing's "threat" is nearly as bad as you have thought it out to be. It is a rule to show respect to all members, especially staff. If you do not cease an action after a staff member has told you to stop, you will face consequences. You should be happy that he gave you a chance instead of just banning you on the spot.

RaveComing felt like you were disrespecting/insulting him in your post. You might argue that he was insulting you first, and I can see why you would, but that's a matter of sensitivity/tolerance.

[TajiTakeo]

It might be true that i am making this a bigger deal than it really is.
And i really want to show respect to everybody on this forum.
And i know that i will probobly get banned next time RaveComing login to the forum. (witch is unfortune sense i started to like this forum)
But i will not treat RaveComing differently just because he is a moderator.
If he steps on my toe because he think my arguments is stupid, then i will punch back.
Thats just who i am.

[RaveComing]

Show respect to staff and all other members. This includes, but is not limited to, anything racial, religious, rude, sexually explicit, insulting, threatening, blameful, abusive, hateful, ethnic, or just ANY general intent to annoy, troll, or flame others.
Using the terms gay, lesbian, bisexual, or anything of that like as a degradement is forbidden.
Harassment of forum members is not limited to site premises; doing it on another website, e-mail, chat client, etc. does not make you immune to punishment here.
If a staff member tells you to cease an action, you MUST do so or face the consequences.

Quick fact: I did not step on your toes because your arguements were stupid, I argued back because they were weak. There's a HUGE difference there. Looks like you've been punching at thin air; I'm on the other side of the ring and still waiting for valid arguements.

[TajiTakeo]

ok!
this is what i got for now.

This is why we should legalize Cannabis!
Around 5.4 million deaths a year are caused by tobacco.
And Around 100,000 people a year die from alcohol abuse in the U.S.
Coffee cause around 1000 deaths every year.
Aspirin kills around 7500 people every year.
But how many people die because of Cannabis?
Many PhD says that it is impossible to die because of cannabis use.
Some of them don’t, some of them says that a few people’s deaths are directly connected to cannabis use.
But those numbers are low.
They say that 16 people died because of cannabis use in year 2004. And 11 people year 2003.
Which means that even if a very small amount of people dies because of cannabis use, it still causes a smaller amount of deaths than coffee does every year.

Actually cannabis has an opposite effect than killing people, it helps sick people.
Many peoples medical conditions responds favorably too cannabis.
Such as Epilepsy, Depression, Hepatitis C, Cancer, AIDS, Back pain etc…
There is actually no product that provides as many medical benefits as cannabis.
And the best thing with legalization of cannabis is that we would not have to pay for it.
We would be able to grow our own medicine in our own home, and this would solve a lot of people’s problem.

Information source:
A documentary video and internet.

I have have not readed your links yet RaveComing.
I posted this simply too make my argument a little bit heavyer, sense my first argument was too weak.