What is Nightcore?

For Nightcore discussion in general.
User avatar
rsslayersr
Posts: 391
Joined: April 2nd, 2014, 3:49 pm
Location: The Netherlands

Re: What is Nightcore?

Post by rsslayersr » May 8th, 2014, 7:42 pm

Indeed, the same thought crossed my mind before. The only original songs that could have the lable 'Nightcore' -without being an edit of an already existing song- would be an original of the original Nightcore group.

This is the flaw that could never make this kind of music a genre.

You have made a wonderful song, but it's not nightcore. It's part of the already existing genres alike to Happy Hardcore. With this reasoning, it won't feel well to nightcore that creation, right? It would be wise not to nightcore a song that already is nightcored, neither does is feel right to do so with a Happy Hardcore song.
Image
Enforcing the cute little sister of Happy Hardcore

User avatar
HKO2006
Posts: 723
Joined: December 20th, 2013, 2:30 pm
Location: Hong Kong
Contact:

Re: What is Nightcore?

Post by HKO2006 » May 8th, 2014, 8:00 pm

So far, there is no one really produced a nightcore song as when you are producing a nightcore song, it auto falls into the already existing genres like trance/dance/hands up but with a higher BPM or directly goes under happy hardcore. Nightcore is the said genres plus high pitched vocals. But I guess you can name your works nightcore (ofc they have to be at the first place) and you will be the first producer ever classifying your songs nightcore. I think it is healthy for the nightcore scene.

Nightcore version releases by actual producers
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nightcore#industry

The following part of this reply are actual songs with pitch up vocal, none of them are classified nightcore but trance/dance/happy hardcore.

Scooter’s Nessaja and Ramp! (The logical song), what inspired Nightcore to make high pitched songs.

When Kats Lesing's vocal is pitched up, also the most popular East Clubbers' song on YouTube

Original Anima Libera by Provenzano Dj

Dj Raaban's remix, pitched up

Nightcore version of Dj Raaban's remix


Sped up version of DCX - Flying High (DJ Splash Remix)
Welcome to Nightcore Universe! Enjoy your stay as much as you enjoy the original Nightcore songs!
Useful threads/links
What is Nightcore 101
Nightcore Channel Database
Nightcore Know Your Meme
How to make Nightcore (NIGHTCORE TUTORIAL) UPDATED
Speeding up seems to be a little magic making things a little bit more appealing.


User avatar
DJ Shaunathan
Posts: 29
Joined: May 8th, 2014, 5:51 pm

Re: What is Nightcore?

Post by DJ Shaunathan » May 8th, 2014, 8:02 pm

neither does is feel right to do so with a Happy Hardcore song.
Well, funny you mention that. When Happy Hardcore was big here in Southern California (Late 90's), there was a movement called "Hypersound". Hardcore DJ's at the time would start their mixes at zero pitch shift.(*see starred comment below if you're lost with this) Hypersound DJ's started their mixes at +2 to +4. The faster sound was preferred by certain dances because if you danced in half time to the music it was pretty comfortable and sustainable. You also had the added joy of listening to faster music (which everyone here can relate to). For a while, I thought the movement was local to my area, but I read interviews of big name DJ's and Producers in the Hardcore scene who would also refer to Hypersound. So since they were taking pre-recorded music, and pitching it up, they did exactly play hardcore in what would now be called a "nightcore style".

Although, it seemed that Hardcore in general moved in this direction as it evolved. Hardcore from the early 90's was typically about 130-140 BPM. By the Early 2000's the average hardcore song was 172 bpm (at least according to my copy of Serato Scratch Live). Somewhere in the 90's I recall hearing that most people agreed 180 BPM was a decent speed limit as determined by Raver dance participation on the floor. So Hypersound, became normal.

So what's my point with all this? Good question, I'm still not sure. I guess I'm saying that if it doesn't feel right to you, you're probably completely correct and that you're listening to later Hardcore music. As for the early stuff, I think we all agreed it needed to be faster.


* For those who may not be familiar with vinyl mixing, picture the pitch shift slider on a record player, having the dial in the center is "zero" meaning you're playing the record exactly at the BPM it was recorded at.

User avatar
DJ Shaunathan
Posts: 29
Joined: May 8th, 2014, 5:51 pm

Re: What is Nightcore?

Post by DJ Shaunathan » May 8th, 2014, 8:04 pm

Awesome Hko! Thank you for the explanation and the links, I'll be watching those today on my lunch break.

User avatar
HKO2006
Posts: 723
Joined: December 20th, 2013, 2:30 pm
Location: Hong Kong
Contact:

Re: What is Nightcore?

Post by HKO2006 » May 8th, 2014, 8:14 pm

DJ Shaunathan wrote:
...
* For those who may not be familiar with vinyl mixing, picture the pitch shift slider on a record player, having the dial in the center is "zero" meaning you're playing the record exactly at the BPM it was recorded at.
Video example

In case you think it is too small
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdjHroTq7tU
Welcome to Nightcore Universe! Enjoy your stay as much as you enjoy the original Nightcore songs!
Useful threads/links
What is Nightcore 101
Nightcore Channel Database
Nightcore Know Your Meme
How to make Nightcore (NIGHTCORE TUTORIAL) UPDATED
Speeding up seems to be a little magic making things a little bit more appealing.


User avatar
Fernandez
Posts: 124
Joined: September 16th, 2013, 1:25 am
Location: Oakland, CA

Re: What is Nightcore?

Post by Fernandez » May 8th, 2014, 8:38 pm

rsslayersr wrote:Indeed, the same thought crossed my mind before. The only original songs that could have the lable 'Nightcore' -without being an edit of an already existing song- would be an original of the original Nightcore group.

This is the flaw that could never make this kind of music a genre.

You have made a wonderful song, but it's not nightcore. It's part of the already existing genres alike to Happy Hardcore. With this reasoning, it won't feel well to nightcore that creation, right? It would be wise not to nightcore a song that already is nightcored, neither does is feel right to do so with a Happy Hardcore song.
I thought that on this forum, nightcore is considered a genre, which is why we have so many posts saying "nightcore isn't any sped up song."
Image
Is sad about the Raiders moving to Las Vegas :(

User avatar
HKO2006
Posts: 723
Joined: December 20th, 2013, 2:30 pm
Location: Hong Kong
Contact:

Re: What is Nightcore?

Post by HKO2006 » May 8th, 2014, 8:59 pm

Fernandez wrote:
rsslayersr wrote:Indeed, the same thought crossed my mind before. The only original songs that could have the lable 'Nightcore' -without being an edit of an already existing song- would be an original of the original Nightcore group.

This is the flaw that could never make this kind of music a genre.

You have made a wonderful song, but it's not nightcore. It's part of the already existing genres alike to Happy Hardcore. With this reasoning, it won't feel well to nightcore that creation, right? It would be wise not to nightcore a song that already is nightcored, neither does is feel right to do so with a Happy Hardcore song.
I thought that on this forum, nightcore is considered a genre, which is why we have so many posts saying "nightcore isn't any sped up song."
Yep, I also think it would be better if we keep using nightcore as the name of a genre instead of a verb, like "nightcoring" a song. As people may get confused why not all songs can be "nightcored" and start making their own "nightcore". But if they understand that all songs can be sped up and pitched up, but only trance/dance can be called nightcore, it would be a lot clearer.
It is like you can eat anything but only the ones you are supposed to eat are called food.
Welcome to Nightcore Universe! Enjoy your stay as much as you enjoy the original Nightcore songs!
Useful threads/links
What is Nightcore 101
Nightcore Channel Database
Nightcore Know Your Meme
How to make Nightcore (NIGHTCORE TUTORIAL) UPDATED
Speeding up seems to be a little magic making things a little bit more appealing.


User avatar
DJ Shaunathan
Posts: 29
Joined: May 8th, 2014, 5:51 pm

Re: What is Nightcore?

Post by DJ Shaunathan » May 8th, 2014, 9:04 pm

hko2006 wrote:

Video example
EDIT: Corrected GPotatoStar's name in my post.

Yep, that's the magic basics of turning a normal pop song into hardcore. This made Hardcore one of the few exceptions to the DJ rule that Tecnics are the best to mix on. They only go to +8, a few turn tables of lesser quality would go to +10, which would give more room to beat match a normal record sped up to Hardcore (now Nightcore) standards.

See all of the similarities? I really have a hard time not using Happy Hardcore and Nightcore interchangeably. If someone asked me to tell them the difference, I would say that Happy Hardcore may not always have pitched up vocals. To me, Nightcore should be considered a sub-genre of Hardcore to more perfectly describe the Higher Pitched voices and newer beat/melody influences.

Like Hko mentioned, There's a possibility that more artists, besides Nightcore, will begin making music in the Nightcore style. Listen to a lot of GPotatoStar on youtube for example, he's done a lot of remixing on his Nightcore and is a small step from making completely original music.

Example:


It's my opinion that it would be good for people to make music that is called Nightcore, it would differentiate itself from the slower forms of Happy Hardcore, and the listener would expect pitched up vocals.
Last edited by DJ Shaunathan on May 8th, 2014, 9:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
HKO2006
Posts: 723
Joined: December 20th, 2013, 2:30 pm
Location: Hong Kong
Contact:

Re: What is Nightcore?

Post by HKO2006 » May 8th, 2014, 9:14 pm

hmmmmm, for some reason I can't find the GPotato about nightcore on YouTube, only the one about MMO.

EDIT: ahh, it should be Gpotatostar
DJ Shaunathan wrote:
... It's my opinion that it would be good for people to make music that is called Nightcore, it would differentiate itself from the slower forms of Happy Hardcore, and the listener would expect pitched up vocals.
True.

More examples nightcore with actual remixing
Nightcoremania4U (aka Nightcoremania)
https://www.youtube.com/user/Nightcoremania4U


Psychedelic Slayer
Some songs are good, some are meh, here is a good one
https://www.youtube.com/user/PsychedelicSlayer88
Welcome to Nightcore Universe! Enjoy your stay as much as you enjoy the original Nightcore songs!
Useful threads/links
What is Nightcore 101
Nightcore Channel Database
Nightcore Know Your Meme
How to make Nightcore (NIGHTCORE TUTORIAL) UPDATED
Speeding up seems to be a little magic making things a little bit more appealing.


User avatar
rsslayersr
Posts: 391
Joined: April 2nd, 2014, 3:49 pm
Location: The Netherlands

Re: What is Nightcore?

Post by rsslayersr » May 8th, 2014, 10:15 pm

Fernandez wrote:I thought that on this forum, nightcore is considered a genre, which is why we have so many posts saying "nightcore isn't any sped up song."
This is simply my opinion. Nothing drastic enough to bring down the pillars that hold Nightcore up. The OP even uses 'genre' to describe it, not just genre in plain text.
hko2006 wrote:Yep, I also think it would be better if we keep using nightcore as the name of a genre instead of a verb, like "nightcoring" a song.
I'm just following what Maikel631 does. 'How to Nightcore a song' is a topic on here, and 'Nightcore' is used as a verb form.
Image
Enforcing the cute little sister of Happy Hardcore

User avatar
MagicScream
Posts: 108
Joined: October 28th, 2012, 7:11 pm
Location: Oregon - Portland

Re: What is Nightcore?

Post by MagicScream » June 12th, 2014, 8:31 pm

I think what most people on Youtube don't understand is that nightcore is a specific type of speed up. It's like how anime isn't just anything that's animated. It's a specific form of animation.

Calling anything sped up "nightcore" is like calling anything animated "anime".
Image

User avatar
HKO2006
Posts: 723
Joined: December 20th, 2013, 2:30 pm
Location: Hong Kong
Contact:

Re: What is Nightcore?

Post by HKO2006 » June 19th, 2014, 9:01 pm

rsslayersr wrote:
hko2006 wrote:Yep, I also think it would be better if we keep using nightcore as the name of a genre instead of a verb, like "nightcoring" a song.
I'm just following what Maikel631 does. 'How to Nightcore a song' is a topic on here, and 'Nightcore' is used as a verb form.
Not sure if I have replied this before just in case I haven't yet.
Yup, but when it would be a lot clearer when we say: any song can be sped up, only sped up dance/trace can be called Nightcore. When using nightcore as a verb, people would ask why can't they nightcore any song. The answer would probably be "because why not". :/

A bit curious why Miakel started using nightcore as a verb.
Welcome to Nightcore Universe! Enjoy your stay as much as you enjoy the original Nightcore songs!
Useful threads/links
What is Nightcore 101
Nightcore Channel Database
Nightcore Know Your Meme
How to make Nightcore (NIGHTCORE TUTORIAL) UPDATED
Speeding up seems to be a little magic making things a little bit more appealing.


lordr1966
Posts: 1
Joined: July 15th, 2014, 2:09 pm

Re: What is Nightcore?

Post by lordr1966 » July 15th, 2014, 2:50 pm

The thing is none of this really matters what nightcore is or isnt is dictated by popular demand very few music genera are a result of there past or even bare that much resemblance to the original idea all music is in constant flux and changes to suit the demand of its listeners.

Are we currently listening to someone banging a stick against a log NO but thats how it all started no music genera stands still if it wants to carry on and if turning a rock number into a dance number works and people like it then like it or not it becomes nightcore you don't have a choice in the matter no body douse its the consensus of opinion that counts

And lets face it if you have a youtube channel you listen to your subscribers if you do a rock number and it gets a lot of likes your going to do more and your going to keep calling it nightcore because there isn't any choice SPEED EDIT yer right cos everyone has heard of that haven't they it's going to get so many hits and what do youtubers want HITS.

So you can bemoan the death of the original idea to your hearts content but it will change nothing nightcore will become what nightcore becomes and you will cause yourself a lot less stress just going with it instead of

NIGHTCORE = ANYTHING
go with
NIGHTCORE = FUN
and just enjoy the ride i do

User avatar
Raver
Posts: 455
Joined: August 13th, 2011, 12:07 am
Location: NU.net, being everybody's favorite asshole
Contact:

Re: What is Nightcore?

Post by Raver » July 15th, 2014, 8:47 pm

^ rofl
We feel the rhythm like it is our heartbeat

User avatar
thecad
Respected Donator
Respected Donator
Posts: 411
Joined: April 12th, 2010, 7:24 pm

Re: What is Nightcore?

Post by thecad » July 16th, 2014, 9:49 am

lawl Raver xD I didn't really know what to post.. but that generally is what I tought XD
Family! <3
Image
Image

Anata no mawarinohito o suki shikashi, tōku hanareta hitobito o aishite <3

Image
Anime-Planet.com - anime | manga | reviews

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 1 guest