Nightcore Know Your Meme

HKO2006 · Post by **HKO2006** » December 24th, 2013, 1:44 pm

So I made a meme entry
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nightcore
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/nightcore

Progession
About
Nightcore as music style 90%
Nightcore as artist ?%

Origin
Original nightcore songs and oldest to be found 10%

History
Maybe a Dam Dadi Doo sub meme? Consider so many Dam Dadi Doo AMV/MV
How Limewire helped nightcore revive 100%
Better article organization 30%
Golden Age 5%
AMV/MV for each year 10%
Greatest hits for each year 0%
Little history of Maikel's channel 5%
osu 0%
news

fakes

Nightcore in China/JP

Now
Active/good old nightcore uploaders 70%

Nightcore derivation 20%
Nightstep
Others

Fandom
nightcoreuniverse, need your help for sure 1%
Threads

reddit sub reddit 0%

Reception
happyhardcore

And finally our worst nightmare
Why it is not nightcore
History
spread
now

How to make a nightcore song?
links to nightcoreuniverse with a revised tutorial, emphasizing the importance of music genre
Or not?

Copyright issue?
Or not?

Legal problem

HKO2006 · Post by **HKO2006** » December 24th, 2013, 8:56 pm

Since I have the idea to make a wiki page (can't due to Notability), I struggle in my heart what is the definition of Nightcore song.
Prescriptively, a Nightcore song has to be a techno/trance/dance song as the original artist does.
Descriptively, a Nightcore song is a song sped-up and pitched-up.

As the only editor so far, what do you veteran nightcorer think about the definition of Nightcore song? And other stuff I wrote on it?

Post by **Zurd** » December 25th, 2013, 2:20 pm

Love what you did, this should be sticky

HKO2006 · Post by **HKO2006** » December 25th, 2013, 2:21 pm

Still updating, keep hitting F5.

Website · Post by **Raver** » December 25th, 2013, 4:37 pm

I don't think it was a good idea at all:

http://nightcoreuniverse.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1349

Raver wrote:This thread is for use on Nightcore Universe ONLY and should be applied to Nightcore Universe ONLY. IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN BEING A MEMBER OF NIGHTCORE UNIVERSE, THIS THREAD DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU. None of us condone the use of these posting regulations to annoy, troll, flame, or attempt to dictate videos/uploaders on YouTube -- we kindly ask that you DO NOT use it for such purposes.

HKO2006 · Post by **HKO2006** » December 25th, 2013, 6:25 pm

Adverting the idea of what is nigthcore and what is not is the only way to win the fight of defining nightcore. Because now nightcore are widely considered sped-up and pitched-up.

Prescriptively (what we think is ideal & what is in dictionary), a Nightcore song has to be a techno/trance/dance song as the original artist does.
Descriptively (how the word is actually used by the people), a Nightcore song is any song sped-up and pitched-up.

Prescriptive usually lose if not always as it lives in dictionaries only. But we don't have a dictionary or an entry of nightcore so the definition is up the people which is sped-up and pitch-up. We have to make one our own if we want to turn the tide.

If you think it is fine for you not to have the true nightcore definition as long as the bad one dont mess with you.

It is unfair for all people who have never heard of or listen to nightcore, their experience will be ruined by the overwhelming number of pseudo nightcore music, turn away, thinking nightcore is merely speeding up random songs and will never type nightcore in search bar ever again.

And, as one day, on day the last nightcore maker is gone, the world would only remember nightcore as the name of sped-up and pitch-up. Or don't even remember it if there is no record to be found.

Website · Post by **Raver** » December 25th, 2013, 7:13 pm

Well, it's a fact that there are more people who like fake nightcore to the real one, so, if you start this kind of discussion in the internet, the fake nightcore people will always win. Actually, I don't even know why I'm posting it. To be honest, I don't care that much anymore. Do whatever you guys want/think it's better.

HKO2006 · Post by **HKO2006** » December 26th, 2013, 10:10 am

One feature of knowyourmeme is you can only edit if the OP let you join the editorship, so the meme can be absolute autocracy, as what's happening now. If this meme can make its way to first page of google result, hopefully we can turn the tide. It require much extra effort though, consider it has been few years since you let the dummies play.

HKO2006 · Post by **HKO2006** » January 12th, 2014, 2:41 am

Slax, please edit /add
the definition of Nightcore music/hardcore music
why other genres of music can't be nightcore
Or you can reply here then I add it if you are not to familiar with UI and how to edit it.

NightcoreSlax · Post by **NightcoreSlax** » January 12th, 2014, 10:59 am

hko2006 wrote:Slax, please edit /add
the definition of Nightcore music/hardcore music
why other genres of music can't be nightcore
Or you can reply here then I add it if you are not to familiar with UI and how to edit it.

I'll add it as soon as possible becuase now I have some exams in sight.
Anyway I don't know if it's good or bad to teach people how to nightcore songs, just beacuse if a random guy passes by and decided to nightcore the current pop/rap hit of the moment, he will just add another fake nightcore on youtube to the thousands already there. On the other side, if you don't teach people how to do it and they're not already practical with audio softwares, they can publish some baaaad quality shit. So I don't even know if what I'm saying is right...

Raver wrote:Well, it's a fact that there are more people who like fake nightcore to the real one, so, if you start this kind of discussion in the internet, the fake nightcore people will always win.

The painful truth.

Post by **Zurd** » January 12th, 2014, 7:42 pm

I created an account on KYM, however can't edit anything, lemme know how it works

HKO2006 · Post by **HKO2006** » January 12th, 2014, 10:42 pm

Click the request editorship at the right. Or click the link here http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nightcore/editorships/ask
Thank you :D.

Post by **Zurd** » January 13th, 2014, 1:05 am

Form submitted!

HKO2006 · Post by **HKO2006** » January 13th, 2014, 5:05 am

added

Post by **Zurd** » January 13th, 2014, 8:47 am

who made that nightcore image?

HKO2006 · Post by **HKO2006** » January 13th, 2014, 8:55 am

It is from nightcore facebook, the system just resize it into a square image though.

HKO2006 · Post by **HKO2006** » January 15th, 2014, 10:17 am

http://www.last.fm/music/I+Am+X-Ray
How to clarify a misconception.

Post by **Zurd** » January 15th, 2014, 1:28 pm

I finished with editing the article, check out the Pre-resurface section, I think it's perfect like it is right now. I was able to play the audio in the powerpuffgirls Z video, it's still there and not muted.

HKO2006 · Post by **HKO2006** » February 4th, 2014, 11:45 am

Wow, it is on the first page now! Ranking 8 or 4 in terms of website ranking. Creating progress tracking for the meme. Please suggest what improvement can be done. Around 50 views each day now :D

Progession
About
Nightcore as music style 75%
Nightcore as artist 0%

Origin
Original nightcore songs and oldest to be found 10%

History
Maybe a Dam Dadi Doo sub meme? Consider so many Dam Dadi Doo AMV/MV
Better article organization 30%
Golden Age 5%
AMV/MV for each year 10%
Greatest hits for each year 0%
Little history of Maikel's channel 5%

Now
Active/good old nightcore uploaders 50%

Nightcore derivation 20%
Nightstep
Others

Fandom
nightcoreuniverse, need your help for sure

And finally our worst nightmare
Why it is not nightcore
History
spread
now

How to make a nightcore song?
links to nightcoreuniverse with a revised tutorial, emphasizing the importance of music genre

Copyright issue?
Or not?

Post by **Zurd** » February 4th, 2014, 12:36 pm

Cool, that is good news, don't know what else I can do to add more content in it, it's pretty complete!

HKO2006 · Post by **HKO2006** » February 5th, 2014, 9:10 am

Wow again, found out even the Kingdom Heart AMV isn't the earliest upload, and as Nightcore said, the songs are from LimeWire, I am working on it try to get it working.'

Also forgot osu! which contain a nightcore mod speed up and add beats to EVERY song.

Post by **thecad** » February 5th, 2014, 10:45 am

The nightcore mod increases the beat by a set percentage and adds an beat at the bpm of the song! So it's not really nightcore :)

Copy_Cat_Master · Post by **Copy_Cat_Master** » February 15th, 2014, 1:43 pm

Wow, this is really amazing to be honest.

HKO2006 · Post by **HKO2006** » April 1st, 2014, 12:03 pm

An interesting video about internet meme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaKYsLQ-98A

Watch4FallingRock · Post by **Watch4FallingRock** » April 10th, 2014, 3:39 pm

I was just reading the KYM page. 2011 must have been a rough year for nightcore, wasn't it?

Post by **Zurd** » April 10th, 2014, 11:17 pm

dont know, wasnt there at the time and who cares, nightcore will live foreeeever and ever and ever!

MagicScream · Post by **MagicScream** » April 11th, 2014, 12:49 am

Watch4FallingRock wrote:I was just reading the KYM page. 2011 must have been a rough year for nightcore, wasn't it?

I think you might be confusing the events on Youtube with the events on the forum.

If I were to make a history of nightcore timeline, I would probably include this things:

2008-Pres - Rise of fanmade nightcore on Youtube
2008-2009 - Golden age of nightcore on Youtube
2010-Pres - Speed edits/fake nightcore starts to appear on Youtube

I think on NU, 2012 was worse than 2011, since 2012 seems to be when the brunt of the "shitstorm" came.

But that was the past, and that's all done now.

The forum seems to be doing pretty well right now. I think we should view the present peaceful state of the forum as a clean, fresh start, and look towards the future. Hopefully we can push this forum in the right direction.

OppaiSama · Post by **OppaiSama** » May 12th, 2015, 6:30 pm

Hey guys, just wanted to make myself known.

I usually go by the nick of Tolle, but both OppaiSama (don't judge ^_^) and Tolle are fine.

I've just made an account on KYM and received editorship for the Nightcore page.
Currently, I'm very busy with finishing my bachelor project in English, but will probably be popping in once in a while to discuss the Nightcore page.

I'll throw in my initial two cents:
As of now, I see different areas that could need little to some improvement, but my main focus and flame is doubtlessly the definition of Nightcore. The current description "Nightcore is the glorified term to describe the style of speeding up Eurodance, Hands Up and Trance, emerged in the mid 2000s[12] on YouTube." is not decidedly wrong, but gives the wrong impression. Nightcore as a genre has the sound of sped up Trance and Hands Up/Eurodance (aren't these the same?), but is not necessarily composed of Trance and Hands Up/Eurodance as the current description suggests.

I also have some knowledge on musical terminology, so if it doesn't become too far-fetched, I would love to add some more specific defining elements of Nightcore.

I know we can't stop the movement of misunderstood Nightcore (Fuck you Nightcore Reality), but at least we can do our best to provide people with the truest possible definition and explanation.

Sorry if I went off on a rant. I'm open-minded and I think discussing shit like this is the best - if you disagree with anything I say, feel free to critique/comment.

Cheerio,
Tolle

emilemil1 · Post by **emilemil1** » May 12th, 2015, 7:53 pm

Nightcore as a genre has the sound of sped up Trance and Hands Up/Eurodance, but is not necessarily composed of Trance and Hands Up/Eurodance as the current description suggests.

Sure, as long as your fan-made Nightcore sounds like it could have been released by the original group, regardless of which genre the song belonged to, then it is Nightcore. Finding tracks that fits that definition but not the currently listed one would be hard though.

I think that a bigger problem with the definition is that the genres (Eurodance, Hands Up, Trance) are in constant evolution. By the current definition, any Eurodance, Hands Up and Trance song can become Nightcore, regardless of whether or not they sound anything like the original Nightcore tracks. This doesn't bother me personally since I have no issue with evolving definitions, but it's a problem nonetheless.

Just as an example, could you imagine the original group releasing a sped-up version of this? (Hands Up)
https://soundcloud.com/hard3eat/now-or- ... tended-mix
I just don't see it happening, it is way too hard compared to anything they did.

Trance and Hands Up/Eurodance (aren't these the same?)

Almost. Hands Up (also called Eurotrance, Commercial Trance, Dancecore and Techno at different points in time) is highly influenced by Eurodance, but it's not the same thing. Trying to explain the differences in words is hard, it's better to just listen to them both and decide yourself ^^ Also, Hands Up is still evolving (a bit), while Eurodance is more or less totally dead.

OppaiSama · Post by **OppaiSama** » May 13th, 2015, 5:05 am

emilemil1 wrote: Sure, as long as your fan-made Nightcore sounds like it could have been released by the original group, regardless of which genre the song belonged to, then it is Nightcore.

What you coming with here is basically your definition on Nightcore :) The problem is that this definition cannot be understood from simply that explanation. Our aim (and sorry if I'm over enthusiastic about this) should be to write a proper Nightcore definition that covers all real Nightcore, but disregards the fake stuff that come out post 2010/2011.

emilemil1 wrote: Just as an example, could you imagine the original group releasing a sped-up version of this? (Hands Up)
https://soundcloud.com/hard3eat/now-or- ... tended-mix
I just don't see it happening, it is way too hard compared to anything they did.

No, definitely not. If I hear this sped up, I would probably think "This is not Nightcore".

As a little experiment, I made a survey with "different kinds of Nightcore".
There are 10 songs that are all tagged with Nightcore on YouTube. Some of these are obviously not Nightcore, but to keep it as scientific as possible, I included them as well.
I would be really happy if you guys would listen to enough of the songs (skip around if you want) to be able to tell whether or not you think it is within the Nightcore genre. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes.
I'm doing this to be sure that we have the same idea of Nightcore and in order to not fuck things up on the KYM Nightcore page - especially for myself since I just joined in.
Please do NOT share this with anyone. I expect only people who have put themselves into the whole Nightcore-situation to answer.

Cheers people,
Tolle

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