What becomes of the non-nightcore? (Cheeri edits?)

[Margsy]

Kooey, I didn't introduce myself on the red carpet, because honestly, I'm not really that hard core of a nightcore fan.
I thought I was, though. Youtube is missleading.

As you all know (since I'm supposing you all read the sticky posts), Nightcore styled music consists of songs of a particular music style that have had the tempo and tone edited to be speedy, high pitched and sound more cheerful.
Most people know the latter part- about the edit to sound cheerful and cute- but not the first -that it's limited to eurotrance/vocaltrance/dance/eurodance.
So they edit any song from rock to pop and categorize it as nightcore. And people like it, and poeple make their own edits with their favourite songs and also tag it as nightcore- but it's not, right?

I am one of those fans of happy speedy edits of anything and was totally convinced that it was all nightcore. I made my own mixes of oldies and a few rock songs. Some of them turned out really bad and others pretty good so I posted my good ones on youtube with cute anime style images and tagged them as nightcore.
Then I found this forum and I'll be honest, I thought that the admins seemed kinda bitchy, attempting to limit people's creativity. But that was just a first impression. When I read some more and thought about it, I came to understand why they're so strict on the propper labeling of nightcore and I totally respect that. And I agree that when nightcore is made with eurotrance/vocaltrance/dance/eurodance it seldom goes wrong and sounds great.


But- if you want to save the sanctity of nightcore, you need a cool name for the other sort of mixes and encourage people to use that name without telling them that their edit is not worthy of being categorized as a special style.
See, if those edits have a name, you can encourage people to use that name instead of nightcore. And with this name, people will still be able to find whatever music they like in the happy speedy style on youtube and if they're looking for real nightcore, they will find real nightcore.

Example: let's say we name any song that's sped up and higher pitched a 'Cheeried' song or Cheeri edit or just Cheeri (made more cheery)

A user makes a Cheeri edit of a Queen song and puts it on youtube as "nightcore - The Miracle (Queen)"
This song has been detected by someone from this forum. It's not bad. But it's not nightcore.
You can just say "Hey, nice song, but it's not nightcore, that's actually Cheeri cause it's not an edit of a eurotrance/vocaltrance/dance/eurodance song."
They can take it badly and you don't need to relpy or- they'd be polite say I didn't know and fix it.
And then they may inform the next person who misleadingly called their own song "nightcore" that it's really "Cheeri" and you get a domino effect!

Also! Poeple from here who make a Cheeri edit just call it a Cheeri edit and there are already less problems.
And people looking for Cheeri edits just type cheeri in the searchbar instead of nightcore.
And people who make Cheeri edits don't feel the need to label their song as nightcore to get the views they deserve.
And people who make real nightcore and are looking for real nightcore find their legit nightcore easier :D
And everyone is happier.


So the goal of this post is to tell you what I just said and discuss a name or alternate solutions for those edits to not be mixed up with nightcore but still be apreaciated. :D

(I hope this was clear enough?)

[Maikel631]

First of all I would really like to thank you since you've been one of the most mature people I've seen so far when it comes to these policies.

If someone went up to you (or you saw someone go up to someone else) and said that a song could not be classified as Nightcore because of the rules that are in place here, then I would like to sincerely apologize for their actions. That isn't what the policies were meant to address, which is why this statement is in place:

This thread is for use on Nightcore Universe ONLY and should be applied to Nightcore Universe ONLY. None of us condone the use of these posting regulations to annoy, troll, flame, or attempt to dictate videos/uploaders on YouTube -- we kindly ask that you DO NOT use it for such purposes. That is NOT the purpose of this thread.

So our intention was really not to try to get everyone, on YouTube to rename their videos, but rather ONLY just the people who register to these forums and post songs here. And why is that? Mainly because it's too hard to convince all those people on such a huge and vast website to change what they've been doing. And why is it too hard? Mainly because of what you've said here:

They can take it badly and you don't need to relpy

That's actually happened a lot more often than you think. You can even ask members of the forums like Kestrel, Yakkety, etc. who were involved in flame wars on videos when they tried to explain to them what Nightcore really was. People started to hate this forum and talk trash about/attack people for merely being members of it.

My explanation for that is that most (or at least a LOT) of people on YouTube are stupid. They WILL deny any logic, factual information, and evidence you show to them and resort to blatantly insulting you or just ignoring/blocking you and continue to go about with their ways. It's like if you tried to go around telling people "You're wrong, you're stupid, and here's why" and present them facts and evidence that prove yourself beyond correct. But then do people listen? No. The majority of those stupid people just band together against you, against the intelligence, and seek to take it down. The blind mob mentality simply takes over. Which is why trying to get people on YouTube to change just isn't realistic (although don't get me wrong, it's a very nice idea).

Like I said in the chatbox, the most logical name for these songs would be "speed edit" because that's what they are. There are some people who would think this name is inadequate because it seems like it leaves out pitch, but I addressed that in this post of mine: http://www.nightcoreuniverse.net/viewto ... 214#p12214 And yes, the term "speed edit" HAS been used before for songs, the most popular of which would be Flying High, so it's not like it's a completely out of the blue term to use.

If that name doesn't sound "cool" enough for you though, you're welcome to try to make up another name for it, but it would probably be impossible to try to get it to be used widespread because of what I said earlier. Personally I think "cheeri edit" sounds a little too cheesy. But none of this matters if the plan itself is too unrealistic to take into effect.

Sorry if my English is bad

[Zurd]

Speed edit sounds fine, let them pick a genre if they want to. Now what was I doing...

[Kestrel0907]

Hey!
I've read your whole post and i think it's quite a pretty good idea,but as Maikel said earlier there is no way to change these people's mind,it's not that i want to bring your and and others' (if you have friends with whom you want to do this) hopes down,but it would just turn out as the very first fake and true songs arguement.

To explain this a whole lot more better,i'm going to quote various artists:
"Music is a religion",each music genre having a different style,no matter how much you'll argue with a person to change his mind about a specific genre,he'll just stick with it,exactly as two religious/zealot persons from different religions trying to convert eachother,explaining that their religion is the true one,but they will always continue argueing with no results.And since they are borned in that certain religion,they shall never change it,and will continue loving (and in this case still refer to the fake Nightcores as true ones) and protecting it no matter what.

I've been,as said in the other post,participating into some flame wars,to make people understand,some understood it,but however few.As a result,most of the participants got their videos heavilly disliked,and got their youtube inbox filled with spammed messages(yes some of these being even DEATH THREATS)
And no matter how many different options you will try,they will still be with their option,as they are already brainwashed.Yes and even many people ENCOURAGE others to do this type of nightcore stating various arguements when they know nothing at all.

Sadly,most of youtube has been poisoned in a very long process,during many years,and no matter how much we hate it,we can't change it.But i'm glad that i found out the real nightcore in the first time,of course even i have done mistakes,but as long as i checked these forums i've learned everything about it.

Note:I have taken the religious arguement as an example,do not take it seriously.

[Yakkety]

I myself call it speed edits, now some people may find that a bad name since you not only edit the speed, but also the pitch, but I see speed edit as a more universal way of saying ''A song that is Nightcore'd in the Nightcore style, but is not real Nightcore''... Also, many people do not know that the term speed is BOTH tempo and pitch, you can see that in Maikel's post above...

Maikel already stated it, the Nightcore rules only apply to this forum and I have tried multiple times to try and reason with people on Youtube, I told them that the song they are listening to is fine, but it isnt real Nightcore, most people just talk back with an immature negative attitude, only a small portion was reasonable enough and could agree with me that the song was indeed not Nightcore...

I gotta say, when I was a newbie for Nightcore, I myself did too Nightcore songs which weren't real Nightcore's, after some lessons I changed my ''fake Nightcore's'' to just ''Yakmix'', I could call it speed edits but I like the term of Yakmix better because its a speed edit that I made...

Best thing you could do is just ignore the fake Nightcore's on Youtube, dont try to reason with the listeners because 90% of them will go in denial and act immature...

[Dubstep Girl]

Best thing you could do is just ignore the fake Nightcore's on Youtube, dont try to reason with the listeners because 90% of them will go in denial and act immature...

+1

[Ppprre]

Ignoring the fake ones is nice, I don't always not listen to them, if it sounds good... but I don't bother telling them anyway because I feel like I would waste my time.

[Execrated]

Hehe, whoops? Guess the music I uploaded can't be considered Nightcore then XD.
But at the same time, many forget how language works.

Take the word 'gay' for instance. In origin, it was supposed to be synonymous with happy, excited, smiley-faced, blah blah blah. Nowadays, it's associated with homosexuality and insults. The way people utilize words dictates their meaning.

[Kirby]

@ Execrated:
You seem to be ignorant of the time/effort people have put into trying to explain why we feel it should be this way.

[Execrated]

@ Execrated:
You seem to be ignorant of the time/effort people have put into trying to explain why we feel it should be this way.

Ouch, an insult that was somewhat uncalled for. Is there a reason you feel the need to bear your teeth at me?

[Ppprre]

"Time/effort people have put in" I think this sums up why.

Sorry for ending the quote on half a word >_<

[Execrated]

so because with one phrase, where i pretty much contradicted everyone, i am instantly 'ignorant'?
how about the time and effort others place into 'nightcoring' music not considered by some as nightcore-worthy? They place this 'time and effort' on youtube, proud of their work, and then comes along some John Doe, and rains on their parade?
True, if such is the case, I'd rather be a kind ignorant fool, then someone smart, selfish, and rude.
Guess that's what I get for being a Commie XD

[Kirby]

I really don't understand why you're suddenly flipping on me because of my usage of a single word. Mind you, a lot of us are quite tired, annoyed, and sick of having to deal with people who don't seem to want to read these things and decide to act that way.

Nightcore isn't a particularly hard thing to do when you're just taking songs out of your library and speeding them up without much care/respect to the original group (which is what a large part of that thread is addressing). No one here ever said there was anything wrong with people making those songs; there is only something wrong with what you wish to call them. There is no reason why someone should feel ashamed or insulted because of someone else telling them they categorized their song improperly.

[Ppprre]

how about the time and effort others place into 'nightcoring' music not considered by some as nightcore-worthy?

It's because that isn't actually Nightcore then. We have no problem with their music as Kirby said, but if you listen to the Nighcore group's music you will see that they don't just pick any song to use. Eg Their new song :D

[Kestrel0907]

We have no problem with their music as Kirby said, but if you listen to the Nighcore group's music you will see that they don't just pick any song to use. Eg Their new song :D

I didn't knew they released a new song untill now(probably because it was uploaded late at night...).
Awesome! :D

[Gracono]

From page 8 of the other syntax arguement thread in this section.....copypaste of part of a Kirby post.

When a new song is produced, it is not simply known as "music." It is known as rap, techno, pop, folk.. whatever genre it should be classified as. On the other hand, when a song is sped up, it is simply known as "Nightcore" and there is no further classification given to it at all. Music has evolved because it has branched out into hundreds of different categories and genres over time. The argument being made here is that sped up music hasn't evolved because it has not done so; everyone continues to name it the same exact thing. This results in completely different songs being classified as being the same thing, and as noted, a "royal mess."

Personally I completely agree with that statement...and I hate syntax arguments as they can get very brutal...People seem to have the Nightcore genre fairly well defined as to what it should be and I believe that as was stated in the copypasta above..*Music has evolved because it has branched out into hundreds of different categories and genres over time... I believe Nightcore needs to allow and encourage subgenres to be more well defined instead of just flaring up and being all like "not Nightcore"....

As Execrated said on the last page...language evolves....language evolves with people and culture...the task is to make sure the original definition stays intact while also allowing it to evolve with the language....