Something that seriously needs to be changed around here.

RaveComing · Post by **RaveComing** » February 7th, 2012, 9:50 am

TimeToE wrote:(I still hope for help from you guys though, cause I really enjoy creating some stuff myself ^^)

You look like a champ, we'll gladly help if you keep it this way ;)

TntHhd · Post by **TntHhd** » February 7th, 2012, 2:47 pm

RaveComing wrote:
Bevarii wrote:About the policy change topic: since sped up techno/dance qualifies as nightcore, trance does as well right?
I'm a bit confused about that now, so I thought I'd ask it here
Certain types of trance, like "Happy Trance" if I can put it that way (Splash, Rabaan, etc.) Not Armin van Buuren kinda trance. In doubt, post the song.

I've never heard about "Happy Trance"... i searched for this type of songs and i didn't find it... just Techno-Trance with that name...

Anyway i think that any Trance song shouldn't be called Nightcore... i haven't heard lots of Nightcore songs but i listened to some and i didn't find any trance song... just techno/dance songs with some trance characteristics... Even if there are some trance songs the most of them and the most important ones are techno/dance/trance...
Even most of Techno-Trance songs (with vocal) can be nightcore too... but that's cuz they're more Techno than Trance...
If they were more Trance than Techno they would be a type of Trance...
So... The best nightcore songs are the ones made of a Techno, Trance & Dance mix... or just the ones that should be called Nightcore...

The meaning of a trance song: Slow song that makes u be in a trance state.
State of Trance ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trance

The songs that usually are the best to this meaning are Goa & Psy Trance...

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Examples to let u know the difference btw those genres:

Moonlight Rambler · Post by **Moonlight Rambler** » February 7th, 2012, 3:27 pm

Thanks for this thread Kitashi.

ok, first and foremost, i'm not very good with discussion's so i normally just stay quiet.
second, i think i may have noticed one thing that might have contributed to some of the bad Nightcore uploads that have or are currently being uploaded by forum members and people that are not part of this forum community.

After reading this thread i believe i now have a better understanding of what music genre's should be used for Nightcore (Dance/Techno/Trance) (Correct me if i'm wrong please).
I was always a little confused about what music genre's should be used for Nightcore because the tutorial on the forum for more making Nightcore Songs says to use electronic based songs, to me that doesn't sound clear enough. Electronic based songs could come from any electronic based genre.

I think that lack of clarity in itself may have unsuspectingly contributed to the rise of the house/dubstep Nightcore boom. Without any clear definition on what electronic genre's should be used for Nightcore Songs, uploaders probably just assumed anything would be ok.

I think tutorials on the forum should be made private so that only forum members can view them.
At least that way it would limit the number of people that come here looking for a tutorial on making Nightcore Songs so they can start uploading their Rock/Metal/Hip-Hop/Rap/R&B/House/Dubstep Nightcores but not actually wanting to be part of the Nightcore community.

I've always wondered why theres no NightcoreUniverse YouTube channel, where tutorials could be uploaded and then linked back to the forum. How come there aint one?

I got a question re-guarding the how to make a Nightcore Song tutorial.

"DO NOT rip Nightcore songs other people have uploaded and upload them on your own channel! This is blatant theft and unoriginality."

Does this mean don't download nightcore songs from someones channel with something like a YouTube downloader and then re-upload them and claim them as your own or does this mean don't copy other people by uploading the same songs as them?

If i have offended or upset anyone with this post, i am sorry, that was not my intention.
I also apologise if I have unsuspectingly contributed to the rise of bad Nightcore's.

See I told you i weren't very good with discussions, now you know why i stay quiet.

RaveComing · Post by **RaveComing** » February 7th, 2012, 4:41 pm

Nightcorix wrote:Lots of stuff
Ravecoming wrote:"Happy Trance"

Gosh, I took the time to put quotation mark and you take my expression as a litteral? And real Goa/Psy will not sound good as Nightcore, hence why I took the time to put on said quotation mark, so you guys can clearly understand that I wanted you to stand aside from such darker sounding genre as it will most likely end up being a gigantic fiasco. Guess quotations marks aren't the way to go nowadays.

TntHhd · Post by **TntHhd** » February 7th, 2012, 5:11 pm

Moonlight Rambler wrote:I've always wondered why theres no NightcoreUniverse YouTube channel, where tutorials could be uploaded and then linked back to the forum. How come there aint one?

---> I don't think it's a good idea cuz Maikel, Kirby and DubstepGirl have more things to do...
*Unless we do it together...

With all this u remind me that ⬇this⬇ exist... ò.Ó
https://www.youtube.com/user/nightcoreofficial

RaveComing wrote:Gosh, I took the time to put quotation mark and you take my expression as a litteral?

---> No... i didn't undertand it -.-'

RaveComing wrote: And real Goa/Psy will not sound good as Nightcore

---> Psy/Goa Trance won't sound good as Nightcore cuz they simply don't have vocals...

Moonlight Rambler wrote:ok, first and foremost, i'm not very good with discussion's so i normally just stay quiet.

---> I just don't like to start a discussion... but I can't stop myself -.-'

RaveComing · Post by **RaveComing** » February 7th, 2012, 5:13 pm

Moonlight Rambler wrote:I've always wondered why theres no NightcoreUniverse YouTube channel, where tutorials could be uploaded and then linked back to the forum. How come there aint one?

Because we have a forum

Post by **Kirby** » February 7th, 2012, 6:35 pm

I was always a little confused about what music genre's should be used for Nightcore because the tutorial on the forum for more making Nightcore Songs says to use electronic based songs, to me that doesn't sound clear enough. Electronic based songs could come from any electronic based genre.

I think that lack of clarity in itself may have unsuspectingly contributed to the rise of the house/dubstep Nightcore boom. Without any clear definition on what electronic genre's should be used for Nightcore Songs, uploaders probably just assumed anything would be ok.

True, that thread was made/last edited before this thread came into being however. It will be updated soon to be more descript

I think tutorials on the forum should be made private so that only forum members can view them.
At least that way it would limit the number of people that come here looking for a tutorial on making Nightcore Songs so they can start uploading their Rock/Metal/Hip-Hop/Rap/R&B/House/Dubstep Nightcores but not actually wanting to be part of the Nightcore community.

I don't think hiding the tutorials will help very much, people will just go to tutorials on other sites then. There's also numerous video tutorials.

I've always wondered why theres no NightcoreUniverse YouTube channel, where tutorials could be uploaded and then linked back to the forum. How come there aint one?

Because we really wouldn't have much of a use for it. Everyone has their own individual channels. Plus, people generally tend to avoid advertisement videos.

I got a question re-guarding the how to make a Nightcore Song tutorial.

"DO NOT rip Nightcore songs other people have uploaded and upload them on your own channel! This is blatant theft and unoriginality."

Does this mean don't download nightcore songs from someones channel with something like a YouTube downloader and then re-upload them and claim them as your own or does this mean don't copy other people by uploading the same songs as them?

Both, to most Nightcore uploaders this is considered taboo. There is a lot of hard work behind finding good, new, and original songs to Nightcore and many people wouldn't take having their ideas stolen very kindly.

Before uploading a Nightcore song to YouTube, you should always search up the song to see if it has already been uploaded already. If it is, don't upload it, or ask for permission/leave credit to the person who first did. You might be able to make exceptions in a few cases such as if no HQ/HD videos of the song exist, or if it has very low views.

See I told you i weren't very good with discussions, now you know why i stay quiet.

Don't know what you mean. :P

iTzBugged · Post by **iTzBugged** » February 7th, 2012, 7:12 pm

well rushing in here back when i came from my trip its all trouble here ffs

hmm, usually i keep away from those discussions since well ( most i write i think is a good report on my view though i speak like i am a worse person) so slap me even if you get the chance

since >Nightcore< is a band! all who simply speed up any kinds of music should name it Nightcorized or sum1 i rlly like is nightcorix...get you a realted name which indeeds you try to share this great style of music with your own trys but avoid calling it Nightcore - ...

I saw johannez his video n was like wtf happened when i was away i searched some nightcore which indeed noone of this forum did and wow...'...take request n nightcore your suggestion...' well a strange this sounds even worser was the attempt to make that...

i know we got alot talented forum users that reach Nightcore-Band maybe half the way(50%), but then again i see so many shit around youtube (mostly including mine) Since its hard to find any good trance/techno song which isnt up yet. often it takes 5weeks to find me 1song and well its already on the web, but not how my style of speeding it up n changing sum echo etc. and then again...i re-listened to my old records (trance, techno, handsup, happyhardcore) and then to abunch songs of CXtremeHardcore8) they had trance elements in their songs (i mean this basshunter pattern) so ofc some songs are un-nightcorable but a few are ^^ (my mind may differ)

we took over a decade the nightcore style and lately i heard the real Nightcore is on this forum too. So hoooray mission complete. Only reason for doing it is for me to express my ideas of how a bunch of songs should sound xD
Oh and since we got theese guys now where we get all 5albums i heard you have made....most songs i cant wait to hear ^^ well all except theese i know already xD

so far as i could think yet (will re-read whole thread when i can login again which can take a while) i think thats all i should mention. and before yall start hating me for my ideas, i ensure it was just an idea in the moment...i am very tired but just hadto comment since i feel guilty in kinda ways ( and i feel sorry for all theese nightcorers like Maikel who been always so close on the origin idea of nightcoring as it was presented in europe/world)

in summary:
-all ul of nightcore related songs SHOULD NOT say its nightcore unless maikel who had few promo tracks send by them tru forum
-so we all should title the vids with nightcore related names (e.g. Moonightcore i rlly liked his work)
-taking the source onto other genres (only if its fits) should be enable and not critized, (yeah me, the failing nightcore uploader qq's here ;) )
-erm yeah and if you see a good song do it better or search songs which havent been 'speeded' yet, and DONT just rip them off other channels get the name change the real version of it as it sounds best for you n try to convince the community that its better than the other try to change the same song

sorry for speaking ik i am worse in talking/discussing so dont be too mean to me.and am sooooooooooooo tired. maow ;)

Us so da · Post by **Us so da** » February 10th, 2012, 3:38 pm

I'm kinda new here. Do remixes of pop or rock count for good nightcore songs? I also am not sure what software to use besides audacity... And could you give meh advice too? ^^ I am looking forward to a response.

Website · Post by **Raver** » February 10th, 2012, 3:47 pm

Us so da wrote:I'm kinda new here. Do remixes of pop or rock count for good nightcore songs? I also am not sure what software to use besides audacity... And could you give meh advice too? ^^ I am looking forward to a response.

Get started here: http://nightcoreuniverse.net/viewforum.php?f=14

No, pop songs and rock aren't Nightcore, only their techno/trance remixes, read the whole thread.

All your doubts can be solved here: http://nightcoreuniverse.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=142 if not, just post your doubt.

TechnoWolfie · Post by **TechnoWolfie** » February 10th, 2012, 4:13 pm

to mainstream David guetta count to not remix

Website · Post by **Raver** » February 10th, 2012, 4:23 pm

David Guetta's songs aren't appropriate to Nightcore if this is what you're asking.

TechnoWolfie · Post by **TechnoWolfie** » February 10th, 2012, 4:25 pm

Okay Just wondering

Us so da · Post by **Us so da** » February 10th, 2012, 9:32 pm

as they say in spain, gracias! :D

Oil in Gulf · Post by **Oil in Gulf** » February 13th, 2012, 11:53 pm

I just think this new policy is too strict. There should be some more freedom of sharing. If I want to like a "bad nightcore" uploader, that's my right. If I want to show this so called "bad nightcore" to others, it's my right to do so. Don't like it? Just ignore it and don't reply. And about calling rock/rap/pop songs nightcore...well it's my right to call it whatever I want. It's no different then placing the yellow cross on a Mustang and calling it a Chevy. Will Ford b**** at me for doing so? No, they have other s*** to worry about. All this b****ing and fighting and trying to define nightcore is just unnecessary.

This isn't f***ing North Korea. Stop trying to control what the people on here can and can't like. Stop trying to stop people from expressing their opinions. Stop being so strict on what people can and can't share (unless it's not safe for work, then fine).

Raver, you should at the very least remove Part B from the nightcore posting regulations thread. It is just too totalitarian and draconian and dictator-like.

Once again, IF YOU DON'T LIKE A "BAD NIGHTCORE" VIDEO ON HERE, DON'T B**** ABOUT IT! IGNORE IT AND MOVE ON!

Sorry for my language, I just think this new policy will tick me off.

Website · Post by **Raver** » February 14th, 2012, 1:04 am

If you want to be or worship a bad Nightcore uploader you aren't welcome here. Remember that you're free to leave NightcoreUniverse any time you want to. There are many reasons to us to start this new policy and I won't discuss anything with you since all the reasons are pretty well explained in Kitashi's post. Also, please, stop trolling this forum, we don't need trolls here.

Post by **Kirby** » February 14th, 2012, 1:09 am

Oil In Gulf, I would advise you to have a good read of the OP as well as the other discussions that have taken place in this thread because from the looks of your post it is very clear that you did not take the time to read anything.

There should be some more freedom of sharing. If I want to like a "bad nightcore" uploader, that's my right. If I want to show this so called "bad nightcore" to others, it's my right to do so.

You're basically justifying this by saying that everyone should have the right to do whatever they want no matter what. By doing that, you're also suggesting that the forums should have no rules at all, and that would be chaotic.

No "freedom of sharing" is being barred here. Nothing is being done to restrict any content whatsoever but rather the terminology it is referred to as.

If you like it, that is perfectly fine. If you want to share it on the forums, that's fine too. But it's not Nightcore, and should not be referred to as such simply because it is blatantly incorrect to do so.

Don't like it? Just ignore it and don't reply.

These are our forums, our rules. Don't like them? Just leave and don't come back. No one is asking you to stay here. Sorry I had to put that out there so blunt, but since you didn't read much of what was discussed prior, it is what it is.

And about calling rock/rap/pop songs nightcore...well it's my right to call it whatever I want.It's no different then placing the yellow cross on a Mustang and calling it a Chevy. Will Ford b**** at me for doing so? No, they have other s*** to worry about. All this b****ing and fighting and trying to define nightcore is just unnecessary.

It's your right to be as ignorant and disrespectful as you're coming across as right now. I mean, it's my right to start calling Canadians Mexicans, rename Pluto to Mars, and refer to Miami's professional football team as the Sharks.
But I'm not going to do that. Why? Because that isn't what they're named.

Sped up rock/rap/pop songs do not qualify as "Nightcore," and no, this isn't just some imaginary rule everybody is making up -- read the OP.

The definition of Nightcore has already been set in stone by the original Nightcore group, and as a fan community, it is our duty to start being more respectful of this.

This isn't ****ing North Korea. Stop trying to control what the people on here can and can't like. Stop trying to stop people from expressing their opinions. Stop being so strict on what people can and can't share (unless it's not safe for work, then fine).

Like stated several times in this thread .. we have absolutely no problem with anyone liking or having an opinion about anything. The problem we have is with people miscategorizing such speed edits as "Nightcore."

Oil in Gulf · Post by **Oil in Gulf** » February 14th, 2012, 1:12 am

Raver wrote:If you want to be or worship a bad Nightcore uploader you aren't welcome here. Remember that you're free to leave NightcoreUniverse any time you want to. There are many reasons to us to start this new policy and I won't discuss anything with you since all the reasons are pretty well explained in Kitashi's post. Also, please, stop trolling this forum, we don't need trolls here.

Look man, I know there are things that you, Maikel, Kirby, and Kitashi don't like and I understand. We all have things that piss us off. I get pissed off when I'm driving and someone cuts me off, but there's no need to pout and throw a tantrum about it.

So if you see a nightcored rock song on Youtube, stop, take a deep breath, and just don't watch the video and move on.

Post by **Kirby** » February 14th, 2012, 1:17 am

Raver, you should at the very least remove Part B from the nightcore posting regulations thread. It is just too totalitarian and draconian and dictator-like.

If your intention is to actually get people to listen to you, you should stop being so derogatory.
Part B is in place because it doesn't make sense to declare someone a "good Nightcore uploader" when they don't even upload Nightcore at all. By doing so, you are putting down the uploaders that do try to keep true to what Nightcore originally was and is, and that kind of thing isn't something we'd like to encourage on this forum.

Once again, IF YOU DON'T LIKE A "BAD NIGHTCORE" VIDEO ON HERE, DON'T B**** ABOUT IT! IGNORE IT AND MOVE ON!

So if someone is breaking forum rules, I should just ignore them and move on. Riiiiiight.
And if you're saying that this shouldn't even be a rule and that we should let bad Nightcore run rampant all over the forum, that would be a huge slap in the face to the original Nightcore and the people who still follow their example.

I get pissed off when I'm driving and someone cuts me off, but there's no need to pout and throw a tantrum about it.

There's also no need to be wording things in the way that you are doing so right now.

Oil in Gulf · Post by **Oil in Gulf** » February 14th, 2012, 1:19 am

Now I know we are both pissed at each other, but can I just ask one question: Does that mean that if I call something that's not nightcore "nightcore" can I get banned for that even though I haven't actually shared a video?

Personally, I think the original nightcore guys need to come in here to settle this once and for all.

Post by **Kirby** » February 14th, 2012, 1:20 am

Oil in Gulf wrote:Now I know we are both pissed at each other, but can I just ask one question: Does that mean that if I call something that's not nightcore "nightcore" can I get banned for that even though I haven't actually shared a video?

The policy doesn't even mention banning, did you read?

Personally, I think the original nightcore guys need to come in here to settle this once and for all.

Don't get your hopes up, they rarely do much more than lurk, but what we do have is their genre and artist information on their myspace page and we're going to make good use of that.

Website · Post by **Raver** » February 14th, 2012, 1:22 am

Oil in Gulf wrote: Look man, I know there are things that you, Maikel, Kirby, and Kitashi don't like and I understand. We all have things that piss us off. I get pissed off when I'm driving and someone cuts me off, but there's no need to pout and throw a tantrum about it.

So if you see a nightcored rock song on Youtube, stop, take a deep breath, and just don't watch the video and move on.

Like two days ago, two members of this forum made a guy to remove a kinda famous sped up rock labeled Nightcore from YouTube. If they had ignored the video, maybe it would be still up.

Also, it's why there are traffic laws.

Oil in Gulf · Post by **Oil in Gulf** » February 14th, 2012, 1:45 am

Will this new rule apply to posting videos with "Nightcore" in the title or just merely calling it nightcore on the forums?

So am I still good if I just say "this is good music" or "this is a good video" without calling it nightcore?

Post by **Kirby** » February 14th, 2012, 1:47 am

Oil in Gulf wrote:Will this new rule apply to posting videos with "Nightcore" in the title or just merely calling it nightcore on the forums?

So am I still good if I just say "this is good music" or "this is a good video" without calling it nightcore?

As long as you're aware that it isn't Nightcore, you should be fine.

Oil in Gulf · Post by **Oil in Gulf** » February 14th, 2012, 1:50 am

Kirby wrote:
Oil in Gulf wrote:Will this new rule apply to posting videos with "Nightcore" in the title or just merely calling it nightcore on the forums?

So am I still good if I just say "this is good music" or "this is a good video" without calling it nightcore?
As long as you're aware that it isn't Nightcore, you should be fine.

So can I make a post like this:

Post Text: Yo guys check this video out. It's good!

Name of Linked Video: Nightcore - Rock Song*

*Replace "Rock Song" with a title of a song that's not techno.

Post by **Kirby** » February 14th, 2012, 1:59 am

Oil in Gulf wrote:
Kirby wrote:
Oil in Gulf wrote:Will this new rule apply to posting videos with "Nightcore" in the title or just merely calling it nightcore on the forums?

So am I still good if I just say "this is good music" or "this is a good video" without calling it nightcore?
As long as you're aware that it isn't Nightcore, you should be fine.
So can I make a post like this:

Post Text: Yo guys check this video out. It's good!

Name of Linked Video: Nightcore - Rock Song*

*Replace "Rock Song" with a title of a song that's not techno.

As long as you're aware that it isn't Nightcore, you should be fine.

Website · Post by **Maikel631** » February 14th, 2012, 2:02 am

Gosh, before anyone posts in here and starts making a huge commotion about things we're not even saying... read the first post.

Kitashi wrote:First of all, I'm going to say that there's absolutely nothing wrong with you liking these kinds of music, and that everyone is entitled to their own music tastes no matter what.

Raver wrote:There are many reasons to us to start this new policy and I won't discuss anything with you since all the reasons are pretty well explained in Kitashi's post.

THIS.

night-wolf · Post by **night-wolf** » March 18th, 2012, 1:32 am

i say its a sick thing that people try to speed up music and name it nightcore, the only nightcore i like is origional stuff, and remixes of techno, because thats what the first nightcore was made of! DONT YELL AT ME PLZ! well anyways i know that nightcore these days is a little corrupt but people who do this are just trying to get in on the action i say. i know everyone here now listens to REAL nightcore instead of that fake crap of, corse its there choise of what they do, thank you for listening :D torotorotorotoro!

Challokas · Post by **Challokas** » April 1st, 2012, 9:45 am

Now....I don't know if my opinion around here is valid anymore, ghosting wherever and whenever, but really... Kitashi, cue applause to you for hitting the nail on the head.

All that needs to be said was said in his post. Hopefully the members that made this board...erm....for lack of a better term slightly off topic read this and either go with the flow or gtfo.

Ha. Rhyme. ANYWAYS.

Let it be known I didn't gtfo due to that but rather basic forum inactivity, the same 7 or 8 members online and nobody new to harass-I mean, talk to.

It looks like this may be more active now....so you may see more of me. possibly.

Kitashi · Post by **Kitashi** » July 4th, 2012, 2:24 am

Man oh man did I cause a ruckus since the last time I was here... all the more to discuss, then! It's not like I should be doing something more important right now, right?

First of all, I believe it is wrong to be putting all the hate on the the staff members here since they were not the ones who brought this up to begin with. I will gladly take the blame for that. Even though you may not agree with them, the flaming and bashing on them for these policies really needs to stop. They have perfectly good intentions, they are not TRYING to hurt anyone, and they're only trying to work in the best interests of the forum.
Truth be told, this is the way people acted back then. They didn't have to have these regulations to restrict them into doing so; it all came NATURALLY. I'm pretty sure any oldie would agree that the forums (even the Nightcore community overall) were a better place to be back then than they are now. And to progress towards a community that is that way? No progress can ever be made without change.

jordesu wrote:Although all I'm trying to say is that people speeding up other genres of music was influenced from Nightcore's original idea.

Other genres of music being sped up is almost like an evolvement.

Although I can see where you're trying to go with that, you're heading backward.

I can see that you understand that all music diversifies, changes, and evolves with time. I noted very clearly in my first post that I find absolutely no problem in people speeding up other genres of music, and that that will inevitably happen. Music started out with flutes, harps, and clarinets, and later extended out to pianos, synthesizers, and guitars. People experimented with new instruments and methods of creating good sounds. They got influenced by already existing methods, which you noted in your post. All of this collectively makes up the billions and billions of songs our world has been blessed with today. Things we are grateful to have because music has diversified.

When you're listening to a song on the radio and your friend asks you what you're listening to, what do you tell them? You don't tell them that you're listening to music, are you? They already know that. What kind of music? There's country, there's rap, there's techno, there's pop, there's folk... all those genres are terms used to categorize music. If you have a song, you don't only call it "music." You call it by the genre it belongs to.
What if all music was simply called music? That wouldn't be right, would it?
What if those terms didn't exist?
What if everyone who needed new songs to listen to went to YouTube and typed in "music"? Would they find what they'd be looking for?

No... they'd get a royal mess.

And it's funny that the exact same thing is happening to Nightcore right now. I mean, come on... you're telling me that there is absolutely nothing to differentiate between these two songs despite the fact that they obviously sound like two completely separate things?

I mean, they both supposedly fall under "Nightcore," so they must be the same thing, right? Rap and country both fall under "music," but everyone knows that they're not the same thing. What about Nightcore? How would people know?

The problem with calling every sped-up genre Nightcore is the same exact problem as calling every single song ever made "music" without any means of classification whatsoever. Sped up music CANNOT evolve if everyone continues to name it as the same exact thing. It's cluttered, it's messy, it's undiversified. People who decide to do so are not only inhibiting the growth of Nightcore, but also inhibiting the growth of music AS A WHOLE.

Furthermore, no one should ever expect Nightcore (in its current state) to gain acceptance in the commercial industry as a real music genre. Think about it, it's REAL silly. A genre in which the only relationship its songs have to each other is that they are sped up by a certain amount? That's far too broad of a genre to even consider. You can't even have a set BPM range for it, either; songs have different initial BPMs, and when you speed them up by a range allowing little variation (~25%) they will output with different BPMs, as well. No hope.

Kirby wrote:
Johannez691 wrote:And if Nightcore is Norwegian, then Maikel shouldn't really call his videos Nightcores either. No hard feelings.
You're saying that Maikel does not make Nightcore songs because he is Dutch and not Norwegian? So basically, only Norwegian people can make Nightcore songs?

Sorry... I had to bring this up again, just because of how stupid, arrogant, and disrespectful it is. Johannez, I'm surprised you haven't been banned for outright nationalistic bigotry.

thecad wrote:
Johannez691 wrote:Well, in that case I will only Nightcore in Techno/Trance from now on.
This is not really the case in my eyes. Maikel also got a very nice nightcore song of a "rock" song

Maikel:

Original:

From the looks of this, it seems like you haven't taken the time to listen to even a few seconds of the "original." If you did so, you would have found that they have virtually nothing in common aside from the lyrics... not even the vocalist, or melody.

That being said, I would like to ask people NOT to go sifting through all of Maikel's uploads trying to find one that possibly doesn't fit the Nightcore definition, and then post it here, pretending that every single argument made has since then been completely stripped of worth/merit because of it.

First of all, you'd just be making a fool out of yourself.

Second of all, it does absolutely nothing to change the fact that Maikel generally uploads real Nightcore on a weekly basis, and has done so for the past four years, building up a collection of hundreds.

Thirdly, the fact that a person may not abide to what they claim does not (in ANY case) make what they claim automatically false. By doing so, you are attacking a person's character instead their actual argument or position. You'd be a guilty offender of a little something called tu quoque.
Logical fallacies are part of what I need to study for my college major, so believe me, I know.

Fourth, you'd be blatantly disregarding all the hard work and dedication Maikel has done for this community for so many years. Because this forum totally DOESN'T exist in the first place because of Maikel, does it? Like I totally didn't just write a huge portion about Maikel in my post that you just completely ignored?
I'd even go as far as to say that fan-made Nightcore would have never sprung from its roots if Maikel were never there. HE was the one lifting us on his back, year after year after year. HE is a major reason why Nightcore is as extensive as it is now. So many starting Nightcore uploaders have left or changed since then, but he persisted.

And this is how grateful you are?

You're atrocious.

Oil In Gulf wrote:And about calling rock/rap/pop songs nightcore...well it's my right to call it whatever I want. It's no different then placing the yellow cross on a Mustang and calling it a Chevy. Will Ford b**** at me for doing so? No, they have other s*** to worry about. All this b****ing and fighting and trying to define nightcore is just unnecessary.

Before I start, I'm going to have to make it clear that if you're not in it to respect and honor the original Nightcore group, you don't belong on these forums. Got that?

If the original Nightcore group truly wanted people to speed up rock/rap/pop songs and have them be known as Nightcore, then PLEASE explain WHY the original Nightcore group CONTINUES to speed up techno/trance/dance songs to this day:

If their name is Nightcore and they're still doing that, then they obviously would like to stick to their happy hardcore/rave origins and be known as such. Anyone doing otherwise is being disrespectful of that fact.

The original Nightcore group can speed up ANY genre of music they do so please, but instead, they choose to continuously pick from those set genres and for good reason. They define Nightcore. They decide what it should be.

CONSIDER THIS:
Any techno/trance/dance song that is sped up can be called "Nightcore."

THAT IS UNDEBATABLE.

If you INSIST that ANY song, regardless of genre, can be sped up and be called "Nightcore"

then I INSIST that ANY techno/trance/dance song, without modification, can be called "Nightcore."

That would mean that millions of songs are Nightcore songs, and every song EVER played at a dance music party/rave is a Nightcore song. It also means that artists such as S3RL, Manian, Italobrothers, Cascada, and Rob Mayth are actually Nightcore artists! WOW! Makes perfect sense, right?!

That, my friends, is the flaw in the partial logic many "Nightcore" uploaders out there withhold.

Oil In Gulf wrote:This isn't f***ing North Korea. Stop trying to control what the people on here can and can't like. Stop trying to stop people from expressing their opinions. Stop being so strict on what people can and can't share (unless it's not safe for work, then fine).

I have no idea how many times this has to be repeated throughout this thread (and seemingly throughout this ENTIRE forum, and the popular opinion of it) until people are finally able to get this simple concept through their heads.

I swear to God, if just ONE more person comes barging into here and claiming that anyone on these forums has ANYTHING against people liking or making sped up songs of other genres, I WILL GO CRAZY.

Take this scenerio, for instance.
Say there's a nice forum for producers and fans of hardstyle music to share and discuss hardstyle songs.
And I happen to be a moderator of it.
There's a new member on there. He's a nice guy, he's been into country music ever since he was little, and has recently gotten into writing and producing his own country songs.
He makes a thread on the forum asking people to check out the song he's just made and leave their feedback on it.
He creates the thread under a Hardstyle category forum.
He does this because he, somehow, was led to believe that country music was known under the name "hardstyle."

So, I'm the moderator. Something needs to be done about this. What do I decide to do?
Do I tell the guy he should stop listening to country music? NO.
Do I tell the guy that he should stop liking country music? NO.
Do I tell the guy that he should stop producing country music? NO.
Do I tell the guy that he should forget about country artists he admires? NO.
Do I tell the guy that he should probably be naming his country music as something different? YES.

I've seen that most (...or all) of the people coming to this forum to complain about the Nightcore regulations are severely blowing them out of proportions and making insanely inaccurate interpretations of them.

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU LIKING OR MAKING THESE SONGS.
THERE IS ONLY SOMETHING WRONG WITH WHAT YOU DECIDE TO CALL IT.

Mind you, the Nightcore regulations would only be "extreme" if the staff members wanted them to apply to EVERYONE. Instead, it applies to a small community forum averaging 5 active users at best, and that is hardly anything to ask.
(Not to say there's anything wrong with extreme viewpoints, though. Merely having an unpopular opinion doesn't necessarily make you a douchebag. Unfortunately, the majority of YouTube denizens cannot understand that.)

For those who understood, thank you.
For those who didn't, hopefully I've fixed that.

Durzo · Post by **Durzo** » July 4th, 2012, 3:42 am

Kitashi I like where this went and your first post. It's a bummer that there had to be some, how to put it.... hard headedness from some people I think it's obvious who they were. I have had a few friends who I am trying to get into nightcore so they can tolorate being in my car and my house lol. They came to me with a few of these uploaders like the one that you showed "Last Resort" ouch by the way haha. So we ended up arguing. All I had to do was show this thread to them and problem solved. Thank you for putting it simply and to the point! I've thought about throwing my two cents in for awhile but haven't then I see this and really no point ha just agree cause you said it all!

P.s. thanks to the ones making real nightcore for us listeners. It always cheers me up!

Post by **Kestrel0907** » July 4th, 2012, 9:34 am

Well done again Kitachi!
All of the arguements were carefully done,even the examples,everything,i belive that none would have explained it much more better than you,hopefully thanks to your latest,along with your first post,we won't see any more of those disrespectfull freaks around here,i've got sick of it.
If a reputation system would have been made on this forum i'd give as much as i can.

Durzo wrote:P.s. thanks to the ones making real nightcore for us listeners. It always cheers me up!

+1,keep up the good work and ignore those fools that bring critics,it's incredible how everyone searches for an argue and a fight these days,it's like the whole world is falling apart.

Post by **Kirby** » July 4th, 2012, 1:52 pm

I felt the need to elaborate (and in shorter terms) because someone will probably be asking later --

When a new song is produced, it is not simply known as "music." It is known as rap, techno, pop, folk.. whatever genre it should be classified as. On the other hand, when a song is sped up, it is simply known as "Nightcore" and there is no further classification given to it at all. Music has evolved because it has branched out into hundreds of different categories and genres over time. The argument being made here is that sped up music hasn't evolved because it has not done so; everyone continues to name it the same exact thing. This results in completely different songs being classified as being the same thing, and as noted, a "royal mess."
If anyone even hopes of Nightcore being accepted in the industry one day, it needs to be more organized .. that is, have clearer definitions. You can't just speed up any songs you want and keep throwing them into the same enormous pile.
The original Nightcore group chooses to ONLY speed up techno/trance/dance songs to this day, indicating that they would like to stick with their happy hardcore/rave origins.
If you're going to claim that half of a definition can be accepted as the truth, you're also claiming that the other half of it can be valid, too .. and that clearly doesn't make any sense. Just read the "CONSIDER THIS," I don't think anyone here could have put it any better than that.
Again, I cannot repeat this enough .. there is nothing any of us find wrong with people liking or making sped up songs of other genres. What we find wrong is what people decide to call those songs. If a country music producer called all their songs "hardstyle," they do not need to stop liking, listening, or producing country music .. they simply need to stop referring to their songs as "hardstyle" when it really is country music, or a subgenre of that.

Kestrel0907 wrote:we won't see any more of those disrespectfull freaks around here,i've got sick of it.

Unfortunately, I wouldn't be surprised if we still do. People are coming in and out of here all the time. I would like to make it clear that people who don't agree with the policies are still welcome at these forums. People who are going to be excessively whiny and dramatizing about it, however, are not. (like the last person who posted in this thread, for instance .. they know who they are)

It's fine if you oppose the rules, as long as you aren't going to be outright rude about it. Also, if you're going to post here, please read everything we've said before and make a thorough attempt to understand us beforehand. It's extremely annoying to have to keep repeating ourselves over and over again.

Rokstarr9000 · Post by **Rokstarr9000** » August 1st, 2012, 8:06 pm

After reading this, I have an honest question. I didn't plan to upload many, but IF I remix a song that isn't of one of the specified genres FIRST to be one of those specified genres, THEN turn my own remix into a Nightcore version, is that still wrong? I don't want to anger anyone and don't want anyone to feel insulted. I won't make ANY of these if it is going to irritate/offend/makesomeonewanttopunchababy.

Yakkety · Post by **Yakkety** » August 1st, 2012, 8:09 pm

Oh no, you can still make these Nightcore's if you want, hell I did that too, there are many songs which can't be called true Nightcore, but still sound awesome as fuck, everyone has their own taste in music and we all respect that here ;)

But if you Nightcore said song, you can still upload it, but not promote it on this site, unless it's real trance/eurodance/techno/etc.... We just try to keep the true Nightcore in this community, but you can still like ''fake'' Nightcores, listen to them or create them...

Rokstarr9000 · Post by **Rokstarr9000** » August 1st, 2012, 8:14 pm

Yakkety wrote:Oh no, you can still make these Nightcore's if you want, hell I did that too, there are many songs which can't be called true Nightcore, but still sound awesome as fuck, everyone has their own taste in music and we all respect that here ;)

But if you Nightcore said song, you can still upload it, but not promote it on this site, unless it's real trance/eurodance/techno/etc.... We just try to keep the true Nightcore in this community, but you can still like ''fake'' Nightcores, listen to them or create them...

I sort of understand. I will put any remix (or sped-up version of said remix) in a category that isn't called Nightcore. First I have to find some software for Windows though.
Thanks for the quick answer, and for not brutally murdering me.

MagicScream · Post by **MagicScream** » June 3rd, 2013, 1:25 am

After reading all the replies, I see it like this:

Nightcore Universe and Youtube are two different websites with their own rules and definitions, just like America and Iran are two different countries with their own laws and customs.

On Nightcore Universe, nightcore is a techno/dance song sped up. On Youtube, nightcore is any song sped up, regardless of genre.

Similarly, the thumbs up hand gesture means "Good job!" in America, but in Iran, it means "Fuck you!" A thumbs up is taboo in Iran.

Thus, an American who travels to Iran and is constantly thumbing up, insisting that a thumbs up means "Good job!" is being disrespectful to the Iranian culture and to the local people (who have lived in Iran longer than the American and know more about their country).

In this case, we have people coming here from Youtube, who post their speed edits here and consider them nightcore. Speed edits labelled as nightcore are taboo on Nightcore Universe, just like a thumbs up in Iran.

Therefore, those who promote their speed edits here, saying that they can be considered nightcore are being disrespectful to the rules of Nightcore Universe (based on the ideals of the original Nightcore band) and to the local people (such as Maikel and Kestrel).

In conclusion, saying that a speed edit is nightcore on Nightcore Universe is like saying that a thumbs up means "Good job!" in Iran, but to a lesser extent?

Sorry if my post is hard to understand. It was late when I typed all this.

JDMxARROW · Post by **JDMxARROW** » July 4th, 2013, 2:15 am

It doesn't seem like Kitashi comes around here anymore, but her posts were great reads.

I think what the protesters of these policies fail to understand is that this forum (and other forums in general) is not a democracy. It is a private entity run by a group of staff members who call all the shots. They have the right to enact any rule they see fit. They don't need everyone's say in the matter. There are no checks and balances. There's no such thing as a rule being unconstitutional.

Thus, protesting against the policies on the forum does nothing at all. Even if your protest post was the best thing you've ever written, with convincing arguments and facts, the staff have the right to reject it with a simple "No."

So, if you're a protester, you can either leave the forum (You are free to do so. There's no one stopping you.) or you can suck it up and accept the policies.

Sorry if my post sounds harsh, but I think some people could use a reality check on how this forum and other forums are run. I have the "this forum is not a democracy" principle in my mind because I've seen similar things posted by staff on other forums and websites in order to resolve arguments and conflicts.

NeonBlazeProductions · Post by **NeonBlazeProductions** » July 23rd, 2013, 9:51 am

Wow... I feel completely and utterly shattered by the fact that I disrespected Nightcore... I first heard nightcore to pop-ish songs and became in love with it that way, I never knew that the origins of Nightcore weren't intended to be for pop/rock songs... -__- This changes everything hahaha.

Fernandez · Post by **Fernandez** » November 14th, 2013, 1:10 am

I'm aware that this thread is over a year old, but it does raise a significant issue in the nightcore scene, and I thought I'd give my input here.

I admit, I have connections and ties to some of these "bad nightcore" makers. I understand that these uploaders didn't set out to hurt anyone. Most of them aren't trying to be better than Maikel or to "out-nightcore" him. They just nightcore to reflect their tastes in music, and for fun, not for fame or fortune.

But the cold hard truth is that these uploads do hurt. Not physically, but mentally or emotionally. I was stricken by the posts in this thread made by the old, long time members. I could feel the grief that they felt seeing nightcore stray in the wrong direction.

I know that whatever I type here will most likely not change the ways of the bad nightcore guys on Youtube, but I felt like adding in my two cents.

I appreciate the time and effort done by the moderators and administrators on educating users on real nightcore. I understand that it can be frustrating, but I think it's definitely worth it in order to serve those who want nightcore to be what it was like back in the old days. I myself am still learning the ropes of real nightcore, and now I'm aware that the uploads my homies on Youtube make are not considered nightcore songs. (And yes, I'm aware that I can still like and listen to their music according to Kitashi and Yakkety.) So once again, I'd like to thank the moderators for taking time out of their lives in order to educate lost souls on what nightcore is and isn't.